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When we sell "BI + burning out" to mainstream, who currently despise "Unemployment benefits", i'll be on board. Until then i'm skeptical that narrowing to just

by platz 9y ago

When we sell "BI + burning out" to mainstream, who currently despise "Unemployment benefits", i'll be on board. Until then i'm skeptical that narrowing to just "Unemployment benefits" is the true underlying psych phenomenon at work here. c.f. quote from article which provides example of divisions that could from between working and non-working people which has nothing to do with unemployment benefits: > "How many working people would vote against taking universal basic income rights away from Nazis and terrorists? And once that is done, can we be sure they will not get an appetite to take them away from more and more people they dislike?"

thriftwy 9y ago
USA has a special pass here because USA has working constitution (most countries, not really). You can pass amendment that every citizen is eligible for getting their BI, and power of random voter emotion will he checked.
- platz 9y ago
  That not how 'power of random voter emotion' works, or "is checked". I'm not sure I'm following your argument here.
- usrusr 9y ago
  And yet the USA happily denies the vote to felons. If the constitution allows that, it will surely not prevent other rights from being conditionally revoked.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    "And yet the USA happily denies the vote to felons." Some states do. The USA as a whole does not. The Fourteenth Amendment allows states to remove voting rights for criminals, but does not require it. In fact, more states allow felons to vote than do not. The reason this is "allowed" is because the amendment specifically and explicitly permits that. I don't think that generalizes to other cases.
- jtuente 9y ago
  Kind of like how the 2nd Amendment works... Just fill out these forms in quadruplicate and pay the $200-500 stamp tax to exempt yourself from the 10,000 pages of regulations on "firearms". Just replace "firearms" with "unpopular opinions". edit: The stamp tax is per firearm, so to be fair, this would apply to each unpopular opinion as well.
jpindar 9y ago
>mainstream, who currently despise "Unemployment benefits" Got a cite for this? I've never heard of anyone who was against the US type of Unemployment Insurance, since to be eligible for it, you have to have been working for some time. > "How many working people would vote against taking universal basic income rights away from Nazis and terrorists? And once that is done, can we be sure they will not get an appetite to take them away from more and more people they dislike?" That is one of the biggest problems with UBI - how do you keep it universal?
- platz 9y ago
  > Got a cite for this? I'm mainly responding to OP who accepts this assumption. > That is one of the biggest problems with UBI - how do you keep it universal? That's basically what I'm saying; UBI is not 'universal' because it will create polarization & tribalism.
  - thriftwy 9y ago
    If it was me, I don't despise UB, I just note that it's divisive. You are either in, and obligated to not work, or you're out.

by platz 9y ago

thriftwy 9y ago

USA has a special pass here because USA has working constitution (most countries, not really). You can pass amendment that every citizen is eligible for getting their BI, and power of random voter emotion will he checked.

platz 9y ago
That not how 'power of random voter emotion' works, or "is checked". I'm not sure I'm following your argument here.
usrusr 9y ago
And yet the USA happily denies the vote to felons. If the constitution allows that, it will surely not prevent other rights from being conditionally revoked.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  "And yet the USA happily denies the vote to felons." Some states do. The USA as a whole does not. The Fourteenth Amendment allows states to remove voting rights for criminals, but does not require it. In fact, more states allow felons to vote than do not. The reason this is "allowed" is because the amendment specifically and explicitly permits that. I don't think that generalizes to other cases.
jtuente 9y ago
Kind of like how the 2nd Amendment works... Just fill out these forms in quadruplicate and pay the $200-500 stamp tax to exempt yourself from the 10,000 pages of regulations on "firearms". Just replace "firearms" with "unpopular opinions". edit: The stamp tax is per firearm, so to be fair, this would apply to each unpopular opinion as well.

jpindar 9y ago

>mainstream, who currently despise "Unemployment benefits" Got a cite for this? I've never heard of anyone who was against the US type of Unemployment Insurance, since to be eligible for it, you have to have been working for some time. > "How many working people would vote against taking universal basic income rights away from Nazis and terrorists? And once that is done, can we be sure they will not get an appetite to take them away from more and more people they dislike?" That is one of the biggest problems with UBI - how do you keep it universal?

platz 9y ago
> Got a cite for this? I'm mainly responding to OP who accepts this assumption. > That is one of the biggest problems with UBI - how do you keep it universal? That's basically what I'm saying; UBI is not 'universal' because it will create polarization & tribalism.
- thriftwy 9y ago
  If it was me, I don't despise UB, I just note that it's divisive. You are either in, and obligated to not work, or you're out.