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> I feel I can trust Google with my data more than some other android manufacturer or reseller. Sure they'll serve me more adverts, but it's to some ends at lea

> I feel I can trust Google with my data more than some other android manufacturer or reseller. Sure they'll serve me more adverts, but it's to some ends at least. I'm not sure I understand this logic. Can you explain your reasoning here? What makes Google different? Is it just about data security (e.g. you don't care what anyone does with your data as long as they don't leak it publicly)?

Gaelan 9y ago
Google is also a US company, which means you at least have a different set of intelligence agencies after you. Given those two options, I think I’d prefer to give my data to the NSA, not the Chinese government.
- tga 9y ago
  If you live in or travel to the US, but don't have anything to do with China, it makes more sense to prefer your data to be spied on by the Chinese, doesn't it?
  - rightos 9y ago
    It's an interesting case - they're unlikely to have any legal impact on me and my ad views are probably of very low value to them, lacking even a common language with most ads. Some people feel more comfortable with a government they voted in having their information, but ultimately one that's in some ways an adversary of your state is far less likely to have any impact on your life than one which is in your own state. Additionally, restrictions on things like copyright aren't nearly as draconian in China - last I tried Baidu's cloud drive service they offered a torrent downloader built into the thing. Other speech restrictions are obviously very nasty and present, but as you're not a citizen there's nothing they can really do to you.
    - Insanity 9y ago
      But the government they voted for tends to change every couple of years. And I doubt they wipe all data from before the elections.
- rightos 9y ago
  Hmm, I'm in the opposite boat - China can't extradite me or arrest me. I'd much rather my information be in the hands of Chinese intelligence agencies than American ones.
  - pc86 9y ago
    Can't extradite you or arrest you yet.
  - Cozumel 9y ago
    >China can't extradite me or arrest me They can just run you over with a car on your way to work!
  - apocalyptic0n3 9y ago
    You say that, yet the US government is pushing hard to extend their digital jurisdiction into other countries. Countries like France have also had rulings and laws where the right to be forgotten has to be obeyed worldwide, not just in France. It is entirely possible China attempts to extend its jurisdiction for online matters into other countries. It is extremely unlikely to come to any thing that will affect you, but not impossible I think
- blackoil 9y ago
  I don't travel to or do business with China, but I'll be traveling to US couple of times in a year. Not being a citizen gives me very limited rights in US. So I for one will be happier if US does not have my personal data.
Isn0gud 9y ago
Better PR?
lilbobbytables 9y ago
Much better security policies, presumably. If anyone has my data, I'd want it to be the one that you can hope is implementing best practices.
CharlesDodgson 9y ago
you're are right, I was a bit unclear. I guess I just feel I can trust Google more. Sure Google will take my data and deliver me targeted adverts, share it in some sort of aggregate form with partners and possibly use it to learn more about be than I know about myself, however I feel Google is good with dealing with privileged data. There data security is good and I never feel my account will be leaked, it's not Yahoo! (yet? .. that's another conservation). It's business is fundamentally about trust, people trusting its services, I feel it offers good data security on its accounts and it offers services that I am happy I don't have to pay for. Almost 2 decades of email services, search, and drive space is something I'm glad I never pay for. In certain cases I do keep data away from Google, I'll never upload all my photos to google photos, or put my media collection on a google drive, and i'll keep certain documents locally, but for the majority of the ephemera in my life, it's a fine place to leave it. Nothing about my life is really that important or sensitive that security is a must and I need to be completely clandestine, if I leave a trail of breadcrumbs for someone to use to pipe adverts at me, so be it, but I can always stop them in browser with a good ad-blocker or a network level filter. If I want that level of privacy I can always go down the proton-mail account route and use PGP or encrypted messaging. Although that's not really necessary when I'm just send my GF a gif of a seal playing a saxophone or deciding if I cook fajitas for dinner!
- 482794793792894 9y ago
  The NSA, FBI, CIA and partnering intelligence services from the However-Many-Eyes countries all also have access to Google's servers...
  - CharlesDodgson 9y ago
    I'm so uninteresting to any intelligence agency!
consto 9y ago
If nothing else by buying a phone manufactured by google and running stock android, you need to trust one less party.
gruturo 9y ago
> I'm not sure I understand this logic. Can you explain your reasoning here? What makes Google different? The cynic in me would suggest that on a Google phone, only Google gets to peek at what you do, otherwise it's Google plus the vendor. Also - Google, despite being a bit too nosy for my own comfort, at least is likely to have decent security, so this data is less likely to get exfiltrated and end up published (or sold on a darknet).
sampo 9y ago
> What makes Google different? Maybe he's American and trusts American companies more. For Europeans, it's tougher: You can choose between being spied on by the Chinese or by the Americans.

Gaelan 9y ago

Google is also a US company, which means you at least have a different set of intelligence agencies after you. Given those two options, I think I’d prefer to give my data to the NSA, not the Chinese government.

tga 9y ago
If you live in or travel to the US, but don't have anything to do with China, it makes more sense to prefer your data to be spied on by the Chinese, doesn't it?
- rightos 9y ago
  It's an interesting case - they're unlikely to have any legal impact on me and my ad views are probably of very low value to them, lacking even a common language with most ads. Some people feel more comfortable with a government they voted in having their information, but ultimately one that's in some ways an adversary of your state is far less likely to have any impact on your life than one which is in your own state. Additionally, restrictions on things like copyright aren't nearly as draconian in China - last I tried Baidu's cloud drive service they offered a torrent downloader built into the thing. Other speech restrictions are obviously very nasty and present, but as you're not a citizen there's nothing they can really do to you.
  - Insanity 9y ago
    But the government they voted for tends to change every couple of years. And I doubt they wipe all data from before the elections.
rightos 9y ago
Hmm, I'm in the opposite boat - China can't extradite me or arrest me. I'd much rather my information be in the hands of Chinese intelligence agencies than American ones.
- pc86 9y ago
  Can't extradite you or arrest you yet.
- Cozumel 9y ago
  >China can't extradite me or arrest me They can just run you over with a car on your way to work!
- apocalyptic0n3 9y ago
  You say that, yet the US government is pushing hard to extend their digital jurisdiction into other countries. Countries like France have also had rulings and laws where the right to be forgotten has to be obeyed worldwide, not just in France. It is entirely possible China attempts to extend its jurisdiction for online matters into other countries. It is extremely unlikely to come to any thing that will affect you, but not impossible I think
blackoil 9y ago
I don't travel to or do business with China, but I'll be traveling to US couple of times in a year. Not being a citizen gives me very limited rights in US. So I for one will be happier if US does not have my personal data.

Isn0gud 9y ago

Better PR?

lilbobbytables 9y ago

Much better security policies, presumably. If anyone has my data, I'd want it to be the one that you can hope is implementing best practices.

CharlesDodgson 9y ago

you're are right, I was a bit unclear. I guess I just feel I can trust Google more. Sure Google will take my data and deliver me targeted adverts, share it in some sort of aggregate form with partners and possibly use it to learn more about be than I know about myself, however I feel Google is good with dealing with privileged data. There data security is good and I never feel my account will be leaked, it's not Yahoo! (yet? .. that's another conservation). It's business is fundamentally about trust, people trusting its services, I feel it offers good data security on its accounts and it offers services that I am happy I don't have to pay for. Almost 2 decades of email services, search, and drive space is something I'm glad I never pay for. In certain cases I do keep data away from Google, I'll never upload all my photos to google photos, or put my media collection on a google drive, and i'll keep certain documents locally, but for the majority of the ephemera in my life, it's a fine place to leave it. Nothing about my life is really that important or sensitive that security is a must and I need to be completely clandestine, if I leave a trail of breadcrumbs for someone to use to pipe adverts at me, so be it, but I can always stop them in browser with a good ad-blocker or a network level filter. If I want that level of privacy I can always go down the proton-mail account route and use PGP or encrypted messaging. Although that's not really necessary when I'm just send my GF a gif of a seal playing a saxophone or deciding if I cook fajitas for dinner!

482794793792894 9y ago
The NSA, FBI, CIA and partnering intelligence services from the However-Many-Eyes countries all also have access to Google's servers...
- CharlesDodgson 9y ago
  I'm so uninteresting to any intelligence agency!

consto 9y ago

If nothing else by buying a phone manufactured by google and running stock android, you need to trust one less party.

gruturo 9y ago

> I'm not sure I understand this logic. Can you explain your reasoning here? What makes Google different? The cynic in me would suggest that on a Google phone, only Google gets to peek at what you do, otherwise it's Google plus the vendor. Also - Google, despite being a bit too nosy for my own comfort, at least is likely to have decent security, so this data is less likely to get exfiltrated and end up published (or sold on a darknet).

sampo 9y ago

> What makes Google different? Maybe he's American and trusts American companies more. For Europeans, it's tougher: You can choose between being spied on by the Chinese or by the Americans.