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> However, once they have kids, they have to settle and are back to square one. I don't necessarily think it's back to square one. One doesn't have to settle i

> However, once they have kids, they have to settle and are back to square one. I don't necessarily think it's back to square one. One doesn't have to settle in a big city. I moved out of London when my first child was due. We moved to a mid-sized (250k population) European city. I was able to find work, in an unrelated field to my previous experience but still using similar technical and management skills. The remuneration is less than I was earning in London, but the cost of living is significantly lower too. This was a lifestyle choice and the environment is much better, in my view, for raising children. Only my view of course, but in this case "better" means things like more green space, less pollution, less crime etc. It's not been 100% plain sailing. I have had to overcome a language barrier (not fully achieved that). I do feel culturally adrift sometimes. And Brexit seems to be trying to screw everything up. However, I still don't feel like I'm back to square one.

hycaria 9y ago
Don't you worry about the objectively lower education for your children there ? As much as I dislike cities, I can't imagine raising children somewhere else. Education, culture and network potential (through friends) is just not the same.
- cyphar 9y ago
  There are many "mid-sized European cities" that have better education than London. Most of Estonia is an obvious example. And a city of 250k people is still large enough in my book to allow for a large enough pool for networking.
- jakobegger 9y ago
  He said he moved to a mid sized city with 250000 people — I expect that most European cities of that size have decent public schools. Even a lot of small cities often have a good school. And even if that‘s not the case, in most places your kids can just take the bus to a school in the next city.
- yakshaving_jgt 9y ago
  What makes you think London is at the forefront of educational standards? (I'm originally from London, and I also live in a smaller European city).
- mcjiggerlog 9y ago
  As someone from the UK, this is surprising. In the UK the worst schools are generally in cities, and much better in smaller towns.
  - jbb67 9y ago
    I was going to add this. Education for possibly future children is one reason why I would move _out_ of London
    - jarvist 9y ago
      I think your perception is incorrect. It is now well recognised that London has the highest quality teaching in the country: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jan/20/top-local-authorities-schools-london https://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jan/20/top-local-... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/london-schools-best-in-country https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/london... https://www.teachers.org.uk/expert-view/why-attainment-higher-london-elsewhere https://www.teachers.org.uk/expert-view/why-attainment-highe...
      - lostboys67 9y ago
        err no the top selective schools in the UK are in big cities the Oratory (London) and King Edward VII (Birmingham)
- phillc73 9y ago
  No, it's not something I worry about at all. I'd be interested to know why you think the education would be objectively lower. I'm still living in a city, just a small one. Having checked Wikipedia, it tells me the population is officially 320k. There are six Universities and the city is UNESCO listed as a Cultural Heritage site. I just don't see this location disadvantaging my child. In fact, I think it's a location with a pretty good mix of culture and nature. Nothing is perfect of course, but I think we're in a better position than if we'd stayed in London. If we were to move back to the UK, I'd be looking at somewhere like Cambridge or Edinburgh perhaps.
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  - flak48 9y ago
    Cordoba?
  - lostboys67 9y ago
    both of those are also very expensive areas to live in in the UK
- mastazi 9y ago
  Not sure where are you from but in Europe many cities smaller than the one parent settled in have their own universities and significant cultural scene... Basel, Perugia, Lille, Salzburg are some examples of cities with less than 250k residents where you would have all of the above.
- richardknop 9y ago
  Lot of top universities around Europe are in smallish cities (200-300k people). I don't know why you think top universities are only in London/Berlin/Paris. That's not true at all, especially in Europe. Not sure about US.
  - bboozzoo 9y ago
    Or even smaller than 200k people, try KU Leuven for instance.
- mantas 9y ago
  In my country, a public school from 5th largest city, with population of less than 100k, routinely makes it into top-3 high schools. It gets worse only when population is < 10k or so and can't fill a full-blown school. On the other hand, quite a few schools in big cities are notoriously shitty...
- toomanybeersies 9y ago
  250k doesn't seem to be small enough to have a serious negative quality of education. I grew up in a city of 100k, and I had all the opportunities that someone growing up in a bigger city would have. The quality of teaching was fine too. I did go to a larger school, with 2300 pupils though.
andruby 9y ago
Which city did you settle in?

hycaria 9y ago

Don't you worry about the objectively lower education for your children there ? As much as I dislike cities, I can't imagine raising children somewhere else. Education, culture and network potential (through friends) is just not the same.

cyphar 9y ago
There are many "mid-sized European cities" that have better education than London. Most of Estonia is an obvious example. And a city of 250k people is still large enough in my book to allow for a large enough pool for networking.
jakobegger 9y ago
He said he moved to a mid sized city with 250000 people — I expect that most European cities of that size have decent public schools. Even a lot of small cities often have a good school. And even if that‘s not the case, in most places your kids can just take the bus to a school in the next city.
yakshaving_jgt 9y ago
What makes you think London is at the forefront of educational standards? (I'm originally from London, and I also live in a smaller European city).
mcjiggerlog 9y ago
As someone from the UK, this is surprising. In the UK the worst schools are generally in cities, and much better in smaller towns.
- jbb67 9y ago
  I was going to add this. Education for possibly future children is one reason why I would move _out_ of London
  - jarvist 9y ago
    I think your perception is incorrect. It is now well recognised that London has the highest quality teaching in the country: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jan/20/top-local-authorities-schools-london https://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/jan/20/top-local-... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/london-schools-best-in-country https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/london... https://www.teachers.org.uk/expert-view/why-attainment-higher-london-elsewhere https://www.teachers.org.uk/expert-view/why-attainment-highe...
    - lostboys67 9y ago
      err no the top selective schools in the UK are in big cities the Oratory (London) and King Edward VII (Birmingham)
phillc73 9y ago
No, it's not something I worry about at all. I'd be interested to know why you think the education would be objectively lower. I'm still living in a city, just a small one. Having checked Wikipedia, it tells me the population is officially 320k. There are six Universities and the city is UNESCO listed as a Cultural Heritage site. I just don't see this location disadvantaging my child. In fact, I think it's a location with a pretty good mix of culture and nature. Nothing is perfect of course, but I think we're in a better position than if we'd stayed in London. If we were to move back to the UK, I'd be looking at somewhere like Cambridge or Edinburgh perhaps.
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- flak48 9y ago
  Cordoba?
- lostboys67 9y ago
  both of those are also very expensive areas to live in in the UK
mastazi 9y ago
Not sure where are you from but in Europe many cities smaller than the one parent settled in have their own universities and significant cultural scene... Basel, Perugia, Lille, Salzburg are some examples of cities with less than 250k residents where you would have all of the above.
richardknop 9y ago
Lot of top universities around Europe are in smallish cities (200-300k people). I don't know why you think top universities are only in London/Berlin/Paris. That's not true at all, especially in Europe. Not sure about US.
- bboozzoo 9y ago
  Or even smaller than 200k people, try KU Leuven for instance.
mantas 9y ago
In my country, a public school from 5th largest city, with population of less than 100k, routinely makes it into top-3 high schools. It gets worse only when population is < 10k or so and can't fill a full-blown school. On the other hand, quite a few schools in big cities are notoriously shitty...
toomanybeersies 9y ago
250k doesn't seem to be small enough to have a serious negative quality of education. I grew up in a city of 100k, and I had all the opportunities that someone growing up in a bigger city would have. The quality of teaching was fine too. I did go to a larger school, with 2300 pupils though.

andruby 9y ago

Which city did you settle in?