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It also tells you that telemetry is enabled and gives you instructions to disable it the first time you run the `dotnet` command. Just like any other tool that

It also tells you that telemetry is enabled and gives you instructions to disable it the first time you run the `dotnet` command. Just like any other tool that automatically checks the telemetry box for you. You just need to use an environment variable instead of a checkbox in this case because it is server software.

oblio 9y ago
If I'm reading the comments right, it sends some stuff during installation. So before you can do anything.
- sitharus 9y ago
  It uses an environment variable, you can set that before running the installer.
  - flukus 9y ago
    Only if you know about it prior to installation. Opt-out is simply never acceptable and it should be considered spyware until it's fixed. I can't believe there are so many apologists for this sort of behavior. All that's missing is hiding the information in a basement, without stairs and a sign saying "beware of the tiger".
    - gatmne 9y ago
      You bring up a good point. Software shouldn't start sending information until the user is explicitly informed just as users are required to explicitly consent to an EULA. Otherwise it's the software that's using the user and not the other way around.
    - electricEmu 9y ago
      > Only if you know about it prior to installation. This is a piece of third party software. "Should be" doesn't override reading the manual and knowing what you're installing.
      - flukus 9y ago
        > https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#windowscmd https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#windowscmd Can you point out where in the installation instructions I'd find out about this telemetry or do you seriously expect me to read every single piece of documentation this might be hidden in? Considering this was added after the initial release, do you expect me to re-read the documentation on every single update? Sorry, but even if your argument was correct, this just (deservedly) burns any good will I had with MS, which wasn't much but at least I used to have some for the .net team.
        electricEmu 9y ago
        > Can you point out where in the installation instructions I'd find out about this telemetry or do you seriously expect me to read every single piece of documentation this might be hidden in? I expect someone who cares about telemetry to search for it. It is well publicised, discussed, and available [1]. There is a telemetry warning when first using the tool. > Considering this was added after the initial release, do you expect me to re-read the documentation on every single update? No, but I would expect you to read the release announcements. [2] > Sorry, but even if your argument was correct, this just (deservedly) burns any good will I had with MS, which wasn't much but at least I used to have some for the .net team. So, regardless of correctness you would have been burned anyway. Microsoft even releases the telemetry gathered under a creative commons license [3]. You can opt out of this completely transparent and well documented option. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry [2] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/16/announcing-net-core-rc2/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/16/announcin... [3] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/07/21/what-weve-learned-from-net-core-sdk-telemetry/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/07/21/what-weve...
        dahauns 9y ago
        >No, but I would expect you to read the release announcements. [2] Yeah, well...where is it? https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/08/14/announcing-net-core-2-0/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/08/14/announcin... https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/release-notes/2.0/2.0.0.md https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/release-notes/2.0... Or do you seriously expect me to read every beta/RC release note of versions I won't ever use for elementary issues like this?

oblio 9y ago

If I'm reading the comments right, it sends some stuff during installation. So before you can do anything.

sitharus 9y ago
It uses an environment variable, you can set that before running the installer.
- flukus 9y ago
  Only if you know about it prior to installation. Opt-out is simply never acceptable and it should be considered spyware until it's fixed. I can't believe there are so many apologists for this sort of behavior. All that's missing is hiding the information in a basement, without stairs and a sign saying "beware of the tiger".
  - gatmne 9y ago
    You bring up a good point. Software shouldn't start sending information until the user is explicitly informed just as users are required to explicitly consent to an EULA. Otherwise it's the software that's using the user and not the other way around.
  - electricEmu 9y ago
    > Only if you know about it prior to installation. This is a piece of third party software. "Should be" doesn't override reading the manual and knowing what you're installing.
    - flukus 9y ago
      > https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#windowscmd https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#windowscmd Can you point out where in the installation instructions I'd find out about this telemetry or do you seriously expect me to read every single piece of documentation this might be hidden in? Considering this was added after the initial release, do you expect me to re-read the documentation on every single update? Sorry, but even if your argument was correct, this just (deservedly) burns any good will I had with MS, which wasn't much but at least I used to have some for the .net team.
      - electricEmu 9y ago
        > Can you point out where in the installation instructions I'd find out about this telemetry or do you seriously expect me to read every single piece of documentation this might be hidden in? I expect someone who cares about telemetry to search for it. It is well publicised, discussed, and available [1]. There is a telemetry warning when first using the tool. > Considering this was added after the initial release, do you expect me to re-read the documentation on every single update? No, but I would expect you to read the release announcements. [2] > Sorry, but even if your argument was correct, this just (deservedly) burns any good will I had with MS, which wasn't much but at least I used to have some for the .net team. So, regardless of correctness you would have been burned anyway. Microsoft even releases the telemetry gathered under a creative commons license [3]. You can opt out of this completely transparent and well documented option. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry [2] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/16/announcing-net-core-rc2/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/16/announcin... [3] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/07/21/what-weve-learned-from-net-core-sdk-telemetry/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/07/21/what-weve...
        dahauns 9y ago
        >No, but I would expect you to read the release announcements. [2] Yeah, well...where is it? https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/08/14/announcing-net-core-2-0/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/08/14/announcin... https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/release-notes/2.0/2.0.0.md https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/release-notes/2.0... Or do you seriously expect me to read every beta/RC release note of versions I won't ever use for elementary issues like this?