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What is California's score if you get remove all the test scores of illegal immigrants. I'm sure that they drastically drop the scores. Being an ESL student wo

What is California's score if you get remove all the test scores of illegal immigrants. I'm sure that they drastically drop the scores. Being an ESL student would make school significantly harder. And would also explain he low English skills. And given that most illegals are manual labor and not high skilled jobs, the kids don't have parents who can help their kids with maths.

cobookman 9y ago
To add, Asian and white students are ~2x the proficiency rate as black / Latino. http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sjm-l-calatests-0927-90.png http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sjm-l-...
- lsd5you 9y ago
  Plausible, simple explanations are dismissed while the intelectual 'elite' declare it either a mystery as to why it is happening or create a patchwork of complicated and inadequate explanations that don't stretch to similar phenonemon around the world.
  - contergan 9y ago
    It's really astonishing how intelligent people delude themselves into thinking intelligence is just magically distributed equally among all races and groups of humans that have developed in completely different environments mostly independent from each other over long periods of time. As if evolution somehow took a break when it came to the human brain. It's pretty much denial of evolution. And the IQ differences between Asians, Blacks, Hispanics and Whites in the US have been well studied for over a century now. It's really no surprise that the demographic changes in California have led to the stagnation regarding test scores. The same effect can be attributed to demographic changes in other countries, too, for example France: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615... And here in Germany, the two states that continuously rank worst education statistics, are those with the highest amount of immigrants. Still, we're told to just ignore the obvious pattern and if anyone dares to mention this pattern openly, they are socially ostracized for it.
sctb 9y ago
We can do without this kind of inflammatory conjecture on Hacker News. The bar for civility and substantiveness goes up when approaching controversial issues. It's not about whichever position you take—it's about being thoughtful enough to afford a reasonable follow-up discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

cobookman 9y ago

To add, Asian and white students are ~2x the proficiency rate as black / Latino. http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sjm-l-calatests-0927-90.png http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sjm-l-...

lsd5you 9y ago
Plausible, simple explanations are dismissed while the intelectual 'elite' declare it either a mystery as to why it is happening or create a patchwork of complicated and inadequate explanations that don't stretch to similar phenonemon around the world.
- contergan 9y ago
  It's really astonishing how intelligent people delude themselves into thinking intelligence is just magically distributed equally among all races and groups of humans that have developed in completely different environments mostly independent from each other over long periods of time. As if evolution somehow took a break when it came to the human brain. It's pretty much denial of evolution. And the IQ differences between Asians, Blacks, Hispanics and Whites in the US have been well studied for over a century now. It's really no surprise that the demographic changes in California have led to the stagnation regarding test scores. The same effect can be attributed to demographic changes in other countries, too, for example France: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615... And here in Germany, the two states that continuously rank worst education statistics, are those with the highest amount of immigrants. Still, we're told to just ignore the obvious pattern and if anyone dares to mention this pattern openly, they are socially ostracized for it.

sctb 9y ago

We can do without this kind of inflammatory conjecture on Hacker News. The bar for civility and substantiveness goes up when approaching controversial issues. It's not about whichever position you take—it's about being thoughtful enough to afford a reasonable follow-up discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html