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> it finally looked like the UWP Plattform might do the trick. Well nope. The SDK is garbage. Scaling from phone to desktop is hidiously bad and afaik still not

> it finally looked like the UWP Plattform might do the trick. Well nope. The SDK is garbage. Scaling from phone to desktop is hidiously bad and afaik still not solved. A lot people tell me Xcode is garbage, Eclipse is a nightmare, but these apps keep getting cranked out. The Android / iOS language and platform api's are SNAFU, but people get still get into the IDE and start making, without any promise for a set of conversion-frameworks + XML files that will make the app for All The Things. At the rate an app builder is adding features, the universal-platform paradigm is cognitive overload. I think a No-XML based approach to app development, similiar to VB6 / VBA, would have been greatly appreciated. If MS gives me a stable API to an email client, a calendar, a shared drive, and a messaging or video chat service, I'd spend the 5 hours to automate a 5 minute inconveneince. A windows phone with a bunch of "lifehacks" apps would tremendously useful to much of the smartphone market, as long as they had the cant-live-without-apps too.

orbitur 9y ago
> A lot people tell me Xcode is garbage, Eclipse is a nightmare Xcode is absolutely sits at the bottom of the IDE rankings, but Eclipse shouldn't even be a concern for Android devs. Android Studio is a very nice IDE and no Android dev should touch Eclipse ever again. It's a shame it's tied to the Android platform, honestly. I'd kill to have Android Studio's functionality when developing for iOS. (And no, AppCode doesn't make the cut)
- kuschku 9y ago
  > It's a shame it's tied to the Android platform, honestly. It's not, it also supports Java, C++/C/ObjC, Go, Python, PHP, JS, and many more. Find the other Jetbrains IDEs at https://www.jetbrains.com/ https://www.jetbrains.com/
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Android Studio is a fork of InteliJ, you cannot use it as InteliJ, because the options are tailored for Android, If you use InteliJ with Android plugin instead, then you will always be behind the curve of the actual Android development, as JetBrains catches up.
    - DiabloD3 9y ago
      How is it a fork of a closed source product, and how is the developer of said closed source product behind the curve of their own product?
      - kuschku 9y ago
        IntelliJ isn't closed source, it's on GitHub, under an open license. As are most of the premium IDE plugins from JetBrains.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Only the community edition code.
        kuschku 9y ago
        Plus 90% of the addons. Only a handful of them aren’t.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        So how do you compile the add-ons that require the closed source part?
        kuschku 9y ago
        You don’t, you don’t need them, and Android Studio doesn’t include them either. You can have all the features of Android Studio in all the languages I mentioned just with the open plugins.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        No, because Google has changed the way wizards work, which means any plugin needs to be developed explicitly for Android Studio as well. As proof of this, the Flutter team just released a version of their plugins for Android Studio. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/flutter-dev/D6pvqM09y_c https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/flutter-dev/D6pvqM09... Android Studio also includes bits of CLion for example.

orbitur 9y ago

> A lot people tell me Xcode is garbage, Eclipse is a nightmare Xcode is absolutely sits at the bottom of the IDE rankings, but Eclipse shouldn't even be a concern for Android devs. Android Studio is a very nice IDE and no Android dev should touch Eclipse ever again. It's a shame it's tied to the Android platform, honestly. I'd kill to have Android Studio's functionality when developing for iOS. (And no, AppCode doesn't make the cut)

kuschku 9y ago
> It's a shame it's tied to the Android platform, honestly. It's not, it also supports Java, C++/C/ObjC, Go, Python, PHP, JS, and many more. Find the other Jetbrains IDEs at https://www.jetbrains.com/ https://www.jetbrains.com/
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Android Studio is a fork of InteliJ, you cannot use it as InteliJ, because the options are tailored for Android, If you use InteliJ with Android plugin instead, then you will always be behind the curve of the actual Android development, as JetBrains catches up.
  - DiabloD3 9y ago
    How is it a fork of a closed source product, and how is the developer of said closed source product behind the curve of their own product?
    - kuschku 9y ago
      IntelliJ isn't closed source, it's on GitHub, under an open license. As are most of the premium IDE plugins from JetBrains.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Only the community edition code.
        kuschku 9y ago
        Plus 90% of the addons. Only a handful of them aren’t.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        So how do you compile the add-ons that require the closed source part?
        kuschku 9y ago
        You don’t, you don’t need them, and Android Studio doesn’t include them either. You can have all the features of Android Studio in all the languages I mentioned just with the open plugins.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        No, because Google has changed the way wizards work, which means any plugin needs to be developed explicitly for Android Studio as well. As proof of this, the Flutter team just released a version of their plugins for Android Studio. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/flutter-dev/D6pvqM09y_c https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/flutter-dev/D6pvqM09... Android Studio also includes bits of CLion for example.