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> the let's encrypt integration alone is amazing Really? How so? There are literally dozens of packages that will register and renew certs with LE using the A

> the let's encrypt integration alone is amazing Really? How so? There are literally dozens of packages that will register and renew certs with LE using the ACME protocol, and last time I checked none of them will cause your web server to refuse to start, with a valid certificate, because LE is down. I find the whole concept to be quite conflicting. Their potential market is a Venn diagram of organisations who: want to use LetsEncrypt but can't install certbot; can justify spending $25 a month per instance for a web server licence; can't compile a go binary.

nodesocket 9y ago
> There are literally dozens of packages that will register and renew certs with LE using the ACME protocol, and last time I checked none of them will cause your web server to refuse to start, with a valid certificate, because LE is down. The work Caddy has put in though beyond the tech; business, pricing, support, is what differentiates a cool "project" from a business, that effort should be applauded in my opinion. Launching a project is tough... Adding pricing, support, and creating a business is in another league of difficulty.
- stephenr 9y ago
  > that effort should be applauded in my opinion You can applaud their 'effort' all you want, but "they're trying hard" isn't a very compelling argument for using commercial software when the competition is much more mature, and open source to boot. As for your specific points of 'effort': > business Well, they clearly don't have a working business model yet so strike point 1. > pricing The whole point of this discussion is "why would people pay for this?", and their pricing is quite flip-floppy at the moment, so strike point 2. > support Their "basic" commercial support says: > We usually respond within 1-2 business days Wat. Paid support that includes the term "usually" is a giant red flag, even before you get to the idea that you could have zero response for 2 days.

nodesocket 9y ago

> There are literally dozens of packages that will register and renew certs with LE using the ACME protocol, and last time I checked none of them will cause your web server to refuse to start, with a valid certificate, because LE is down. The work Caddy has put in though beyond the tech; business, pricing, support, is what differentiates a cool "project" from a business, that effort should be applauded in my opinion. Launching a project is tough... Adding pricing, support, and creating a business is in another league of difficulty.

stephenr 9y ago
> that effort should be applauded in my opinion You can applaud their 'effort' all you want, but "they're trying hard" isn't a very compelling argument for using commercial software when the competition is much more mature, and open source to boot. As for your specific points of 'effort': > business Well, they clearly don't have a working business model yet so strike point 1. > pricing The whole point of this discussion is "why would people pay for this?", and their pricing is quite flip-floppy at the moment, so strike point 2. > support Their "basic" commercial support says: > We usually respond within 1-2 business days Wat. Paid support that includes the term "usually" is a giant red flag, even before you get to the idea that you could have zero response for 2 days.