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> Chasing Utopia, while not having answers how to get there, and for that matter even not knowing what this utopia looks like. I'm not sure whether you have mu

> Chasing Utopia, while not having answers how to get there, and for that matter even not knowing what this utopia looks like. I'm not sure whether you have much prior knowledge of the author, but he has advanced plenty of ideas on how the situation can be improved. > American experiment is longest surviving thriving experiment of democracy, security and prosperity to date. We are not going to change because you don't like the results. This election worked despite commercial media, it shows that American democracy is surviving and thriving. Any proposal to "fix" the situation must come with enormous proof of it working, and at reasonable cost, and with no significant downside, otherwise we would rather keep what we have, thank you very much. This is only really true if you frame "democracy" as being whatever America has been, at any given time. The extent to which American security and prosperity have anything to do with democracy is debatable. > Democracy needs to be fixed because Clinton lost. Is that the argument here? This just got ridiculous. No, American democracy failed because a complete charlatan is president. The fact that this is the case, despite the fact that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, is only the final failure in a long chain of democratic dysfunction. I'd argue that an effective system wouldn't give voters the choice between two intensely reviled candidates, to begin with. And I also agree with Lessig that our media culture succeeded in commercializing a chaotic and shameful campaign, while failing miserably to focus the election of issues that actually matter.

AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
>while failing miserably to focus the election of issues that actually matter They failed? They decide what they should focus on, or should you decide for them? Who gave you the judge position? Care to take any efforts into claiming that judge position? Why should I or they grant you that? They, or I, should change our ways because you don't like it? What argument you have to claim that people didn't focus on what they should have in voting for Trump? I see that as a supremacist statement. May be he would have won with bigger margin, if they had really paid attention to what was going on. >This is only really true if you frame "democracy" as being whatever America has been, at any given time. The extent to which American security and prosperity have anything to do with democracy is debatable. :s/democracy/utopia You get the idea. No description of utopia other than in the utopia Hillary was president. Well, I reject the thought, as no argument was given. I quite like America and would rather live here than any place else. All are free to leave America if they don't like it. If you propose changing America, you wish alone is not going to cut it, put up an argument. I am quite aware of Lawrence's work, and have supported/appreciated it. Above comments were a response to that article, not an attack on Lawrence. I am sure he can defend himself quite well, if he happen to read it.

AmIFirstToThink 9y ago

>while failing miserably to focus the election of issues that actually matter They failed? They decide what they should focus on, or should you decide for them? Who gave you the judge position? Care to take any efforts into claiming that judge position? Why should I or they grant you that? They, or I, should change our ways because you don't like it? What argument you have to claim that people didn't focus on what they should have in voting for Trump? I see that as a supremacist statement. May be he would have won with bigger margin, if they had really paid attention to what was going on. >This is only really true if you frame "democracy" as being whatever America has been, at any given time. The extent to which American security and prosperity have anything to do with democracy is debatable. :s/democracy/utopia You get the idea. No description of utopia other than in the utopia Hillary was president. Well, I reject the thought, as no argument was given. I quite like America and would rather live here than any place else. All are free to leave America if they don't like it. If you propose changing America, you wish alone is not going to cut it, put up an argument. I am quite aware of Lawrence's work, and have supported/appreciated it. Above comments were a response to that article, not an attack on Lawrence. I am sure he can defend himself quite well, if he happen to read it.