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The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a p

The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use iPhone. I have no sympathy for Microsoft in regards to it’s phone biz because it didn’t try to break the market.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago
This. I knew everyone from seniors, the a police chief, to tech folks carrying Windows phones. The apps we needed were there. But Microsoft had a nearly-useless approach to hardware releases, they constantly missed the boat. I currently carry the last Windows Mobile phone on Verizon (the US' largest carrier). It is from 2014. (Actually, a new Elite x3 is coming out next week, three years later.) This is ridiculous. When the Elite x3 originally came out, we wondered what insanity was someone releasing a phone "for enterprise" that didn't work on Verizon, the main carrier of enterprise users. We didn't need apps, we needed phones.
- pjc50 9y ago
  > someone releasing a phone "for enterprise" that didn't work on Verizon, the main carrier of enterprise users Whose fault is this though? Was it missing a particular radio band, or was it anti-competitive behaviour by Verizon? I'm used to just buying phones and slipping in the SIM.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    Verizon has a certification process, but they are effectively required by law to accept all compatible phones. Microsoft didn't even submit any of their recent phones for Verizon certification, even if they had chips which supported Verizon bands. Actually, HP is just now (like, this month) releasing a version of the Elite x3 that is Verizon-certified. https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/get-certified https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/get-certified https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/device-showcase/device/4916 https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/device-showcase/...
- cjsuk 9y ago
  We needed quality control as well, something which is very lacking at the moment. The sheer amount of bugs I hit trying to get my daughter's Lumia 650 up was ridiculous.
Gaelan 9y ago
Didn't the iPhone launch US-only?
- izacus 9y ago
  Original yes, but it also launched only on AT&T in US as well and wasn't all that successful. The real uptick in popularity started with IPhone 3G (with AppStore) which was available world wide.
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    I can't help but suspect that Jobs would have been happy to leave the iphone US exclusive if it had not been for the gray market of jailbroken phones. Hell, i could have sworn he had to be talked down from lawyerbombing jailbreakers and cydia into the ground.
    - rifung 9y ago
      > I can't help but suspect that Jobs would have been happy to leave the iphone US exclusive if it had not been for the gray market of jailbroken phones. Why wouldn't he want to sell it worldwide and make Apple significantly more money?
- philliphaydon 9y ago
  It doesn’t matter. Subsequent iPhones are launched globally. Microsoft does not launch subsequent products globally. The surface takes many many months to reach many parts of Asia. Surface studio is only in a hand full of countries. Surface laptop is only in a handful of countries. Surface book is almost non existent. The only thing Microsoft makes that it launches well is the Xbox.
  - jasonlotito 9y ago
    > It doesn’t matter. Yeah, I remember this argument. It depends on whether it benefits Apple or not. For example, when Apple moved off of Google for it's mapping, people were saying that this was just the first iteration, the first version of Maps, when it clearly wasn't, and that the fact that it lost features and information that were there before, people were okay with it because it was Apple's first map software (when it really wasn't). I just find it interesting the way this argument is used for and against Apple.
joenathanone 9y ago
You don't know how untrue this is, couple of things. First lets start with this qoute "According to Kantar's October 2013 report, Windows Phone accounted for 10.2% of all smartphone sales in Europe and 4.8% of all sales in the United States." and then this one "Microsoft announced new data from IDC indicating that Windows Phone is the second-most-used mobile platform in Latin America." Lastly, do you not remember the launch of the iPhone? Not only was it only available in the US, you could only get it on AT&T. There can be many reasons Windows Phone failed, but what you've mentioned isn't one of them.
- philliphaydon 9y ago
  yeah iphone was launched in 2007. We are in 2017 and if you want to take marketshare from your competitors then you need to be releasing your products in all major markets. Not a couple of them. Windows phone was quite popular in Asia yet it died due to lack of devices. My mum still rocks an HTC HD7 tho.
  - theduncan 9y ago
    I remember the HD7, I was eyeing it off for a while, I could buy one, I just couldn't find a phone store near me that would let me try one. I moved to Android and the HTC Desire HD. I had been a Windows Mobile 6.1 user.
    - c-smile 9y ago
      I really would like to know why they abandoned Windows Mobile / CE at that time. It was quite strong foundation. Metro could be built on top of it easily. Mystery.
- pishpash 9y ago
  But you're not competing with the iPhone of ten years ago. You're competing with the iPhone of today. It's difficult but in the end just excuses. Windows phones were never a serious competitor. It just wasn't that important to the life and death of Microsoft and the result, from a business organizational perspective, is very much expected.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

This. I knew everyone from seniors, the a police chief, to tech folks carrying Windows phones. The apps we needed were there. But Microsoft had a nearly-useless approach to hardware releases, they constantly missed the boat. I currently carry the last Windows Mobile phone on Verizon (the US' largest carrier). It is from 2014. (Actually, a new Elite x3 is coming out next week, three years later.) This is ridiculous. When the Elite x3 originally came out, we wondered what insanity was someone releasing a phone "for enterprise" that didn't work on Verizon, the main carrier of enterprise users. We didn't need apps, we needed phones.

pjc50 9y ago
> someone releasing a phone "for enterprise" that didn't work on Verizon, the main carrier of enterprise users Whose fault is this though? Was it missing a particular radio band, or was it anti-competitive behaviour by Verizon? I'm used to just buying phones and slipping in the SIM.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  Verizon has a certification process, but they are effectively required by law to accept all compatible phones. Microsoft didn't even submit any of their recent phones for Verizon certification, even if they had chips which supported Verizon bands. Actually, HP is just now (like, this month) releasing a version of the Elite x3 that is Verizon-certified. https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/get-certified https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/get-certified https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/device-showcase/device/4916 https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/device-showcase/...
cjsuk 9y ago
We needed quality control as well, something which is very lacking at the moment. The sheer amount of bugs I hit trying to get my daughter's Lumia 650 up was ridiculous.

Gaelan 9y ago

Didn't the iPhone launch US-only?

izacus 9y ago
Original yes, but it also launched only on AT&T in US as well and wasn't all that successful. The real uptick in popularity started with IPhone 3G (with AppStore) which was available world wide.
- digi_owl 9y ago
  I can't help but suspect that Jobs would have been happy to leave the iphone US exclusive if it had not been for the gray market of jailbroken phones. Hell, i could have sworn he had to be talked down from lawyerbombing jailbreakers and cydia into the ground.
  - rifung 9y ago
    > I can't help but suspect that Jobs would have been happy to leave the iphone US exclusive if it had not been for the gray market of jailbroken phones. Why wouldn't he want to sell it worldwide and make Apple significantly more money?
philliphaydon 9y ago
It doesn’t matter. Subsequent iPhones are launched globally. Microsoft does not launch subsequent products globally. The surface takes many many months to reach many parts of Asia. Surface studio is only in a hand full of countries. Surface laptop is only in a handful of countries. Surface book is almost non existent. The only thing Microsoft makes that it launches well is the Xbox.
- jasonlotito 9y ago
  > It doesn’t matter. Yeah, I remember this argument. It depends on whether it benefits Apple or not. For example, when Apple moved off of Google for it's mapping, people were saying that this was just the first iteration, the first version of Maps, when it clearly wasn't, and that the fact that it lost features and information that were there before, people were okay with it because it was Apple's first map software (when it really wasn't). I just find it interesting the way this argument is used for and against Apple.

joenathanone 9y ago

You don't know how untrue this is, couple of things. First lets start with this qoute "According to Kantar's October 2013 report, Windows Phone accounted for 10.2% of all smartphone sales in Europe and 4.8% of all sales in the United States." and then this one "Microsoft announced new data from IDC indicating that Windows Phone is the second-most-used mobile platform in Latin America." Lastly, do you not remember the launch of the iPhone? Not only was it only available in the US, you could only get it on AT&T. There can be many reasons Windows Phone failed, but what you've mentioned isn't one of them.

philliphaydon 9y ago
yeah iphone was launched in 2007. We are in 2017 and if you want to take marketshare from your competitors then you need to be releasing your products in all major markets. Not a couple of them. Windows phone was quite popular in Asia yet it died due to lack of devices. My mum still rocks an HTC HD7 tho.
- theduncan 9y ago
  I remember the HD7, I was eyeing it off for a while, I could buy one, I just couldn't find a phone store near me that would let me try one. I moved to Android and the HTC Desire HD. I had been a Windows Mobile 6.1 user.
  - c-smile 9y ago
    I really would like to know why they abandoned Windows Mobile / CE at that time. It was quite strong foundation. Metro could be built on top of it easily. Mystery.
pishpash 9y ago
But you're not competing with the iPhone of ten years ago. You're competing with the iPhone of today. It's difficult but in the end just excuses. Windows phones were never a serious competitor. It just wasn't that important to the life and death of Microsoft and the result, from a business organizational perspective, is very much expected.