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One cool move on Microsoft's part can be releasing Microsoft's version of Android. The main problem is Google Play Services. But since MS almost has parallel of

One cool move on Microsoft's part can be releasing Microsoft's version of Android. The main problem is Google Play Services. But since MS almost has parallel offerings for all Google Services they can create an "API" compatible version of Google Play services. This way users will be able to install all the current Android applications which are available on Play Store. This can convert Android into an Oligopoly instead of Google's Monopoly.

fetbaffe 9y ago
Microsoft is cooperating with Cyanogen OS https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11092050/cyanogen-microsoft-android-apps-integration https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11092050/cyanogen-microso...
- hadrien01 9y ago
  CyanogenOS doesn't exist anymore. But they're selling a Galaxy S8 Microsoft Edition with included Microsoft apps.
  - fetbaffe 9y ago
    I thought it was CyanogenMod that doesn't exist anymore?
    - aloisdg 9y ago
      Most of the community move to Lineage
    - fetbaffe 9y ago
      Okay, seems that both CyanogenMod and Cyanogen OS are dead, I thought it was only one of them. So Microsoft did another miscalculation on that one. It seems likely that Microsoft continues to push into Android with all things it releases for it. But how will they make money on that? Seems unclear.
camus2 9y ago
Why would anyone bother with a copy of android when the original just works? it makes no sense. Microsoft strategy was just bad. It tried to copy the iPhone when it should have tried to copy its own strategy on PC, which is creating a OS and letting other companies build Windows Phones. The only person who got something out of the Nokia deal is Elop, which is curiously similar to how bad Macromedia/Adobe deal was. What is left of both deals? nothing. Microsoft isn't that good at consumer hardware, the only exception is the Xbox. Look at the surface book, full of issues when it should have been a hit. Eventually MS will try a comeback in the mobile OS market, in 5/10 years, because it's essential for MS survival. But it needs to build the services to back that up.
- RyJones 9y ago
  Lab126 ships an Android-based OS that will never be Android. One reason was to extend APIs (edge peek events for the Fire Phone, for example).
- AnthonyMouse 9y ago
  > Microsoft strategy was just bad. It tried to copy the iPhone when it should have tried to copy its own strategy on PC, which is creating a OS and letting other companies build Windows Phones. That wouldn't have worked either. Microsoft has the desktop market today because they had it in 1981 when the IBM PC was released. Operating systems have huge network effects. There is very little they can do today that will cause them to lose that. People hate that there is no simple off switch for all the Windows 10 telemetry, but is it causing all those people to switch to Ubuntu? No. They're mostly sticking with Windows 7, and when support runs out on that, they'll grit their teeth and use Windows 10. Because they have no choice. They need Office and Photoshop and Active Directory and some weird printer thing from their weird printer support company and a dozen other things like that. Which kind of maybe have Linux equivalents but some of them aren't as good and all of them have some initial switching cost which would all have to be taken on at the same time. So when the choice comes to either let Microsoft punch you in the face or walk away, most people still aren't willing to walk away. But with Android the shoe is on the other foot. Microsoft can't dislodge Android for the same reasons that Canonical can't dislodge Windows.
- 9y ago
johnvega 9y ago
The best combination for me is to have high quality hardware Surface Phone, just like Surface Laptop, using stock Android and high quality, stability and usability, Microsoft apps and Microsoft microservices. Two most important hardware optimizations are security and data connectivity.
sangnoir 9y ago
> But since MS almost has parallel offerings for all Google Services they can create an "API" compatible version of Google Play service Here's a bit of trivia: Microsoft filed an amicus brief[1] supporting Oracle's position that API's are copyrighted in Oracle v. Google. Not long after this, coincidentally (or not) that Microsoft canceled project Astoria[2], which implemented Android APIs on Windows 10 Mobile. If they implement Google's API, and Google were to sue, it would be trivial to prove wilful infringement by citing the amicus brief (they knew it is wrong and they did it anyway). 1. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/20/oracle_and_world_vs_google_here_we_go_again/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/20/oracle_and_world_vs_... 2. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-officially-cancels-project-astoria-bridge-porting-android-apps-windows-10-mobile https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-officially-cancels-...
bitmapbrother 9y ago
And it too would have failed miserably and probably faster than the Amazon Fire phone. Android without Google Play Services is an instant failure.

fetbaffe 9y ago

Microsoft is cooperating with Cyanogen OS https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11092050/cyanogen-microsoft-android-apps-integration https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/22/11092050/cyanogen-microso...

hadrien01 9y ago
CyanogenOS doesn't exist anymore. But they're selling a Galaxy S8 Microsoft Edition with included Microsoft apps.
- fetbaffe 9y ago
  I thought it was CyanogenMod that doesn't exist anymore?
  - aloisdg 9y ago
    Most of the community move to Lineage
  - fetbaffe 9y ago
    Okay, seems that both CyanogenMod and Cyanogen OS are dead, I thought it was only one of them. So Microsoft did another miscalculation on that one. It seems likely that Microsoft continues to push into Android with all things it releases for it. But how will they make money on that? Seems unclear.

camus2 9y ago

Why would anyone bother with a copy of android when the original just works? it makes no sense. Microsoft strategy was just bad. It tried to copy the iPhone when it should have tried to copy its own strategy on PC, which is creating a OS and letting other companies build Windows Phones. The only person who got something out of the Nokia deal is Elop, which is curiously similar to how bad Macromedia/Adobe deal was. What is left of both deals? nothing. Microsoft isn't that good at consumer hardware, the only exception is the Xbox. Look at the surface book, full of issues when it should have been a hit. Eventually MS will try a comeback in the mobile OS market, in 5/10 years, because it's essential for MS survival. But it needs to build the services to back that up.

RyJones 9y ago
Lab126 ships an Android-based OS that will never be Android. One reason was to extend APIs (edge peek events for the Fire Phone, for example).
AnthonyMouse 9y ago
> Microsoft strategy was just bad. It tried to copy the iPhone when it should have tried to copy its own strategy on PC, which is creating a OS and letting other companies build Windows Phones. That wouldn't have worked either. Microsoft has the desktop market today because they had it in 1981 when the IBM PC was released. Operating systems have huge network effects. There is very little they can do today that will cause them to lose that. People hate that there is no simple off switch for all the Windows 10 telemetry, but is it causing all those people to switch to Ubuntu? No. They're mostly sticking with Windows 7, and when support runs out on that, they'll grit their teeth and use Windows 10. Because they have no choice. They need Office and Photoshop and Active Directory and some weird printer thing from their weird printer support company and a dozen other things like that. Which kind of maybe have Linux equivalents but some of them aren't as good and all of them have some initial switching cost which would all have to be taken on at the same time. So when the choice comes to either let Microsoft punch you in the face or walk away, most people still aren't willing to walk away. But with Android the shoe is on the other foot. Microsoft can't dislodge Android for the same reasons that Canonical can't dislodge Windows.
9y ago

johnvega 9y ago

The best combination for me is to have high quality hardware Surface Phone, just like Surface Laptop, using stock Android and high quality, stability and usability, Microsoft apps and Microsoft microservices. Two most important hardware optimizations are security and data connectivity.

sangnoir 9y ago

> But since MS almost has parallel offerings for all Google Services they can create an "API" compatible version of Google Play service Here's a bit of trivia: Microsoft filed an amicus brief[1] supporting Oracle's position that API's are copyrighted in Oracle v. Google. Not long after this, coincidentally (or not) that Microsoft canceled project Astoria[2], which implemented Android APIs on Windows 10 Mobile. If they implement Google's API, and Google were to sue, it would be trivial to prove wilful infringement by citing the amicus brief (they knew it is wrong and they did it anyway). 1. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/20/oracle_and_world_vs_google_here_we_go_again/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/20/oracle_and_world_vs_... 2. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-officially-cancels-project-astoria-bridge-porting-android-apps-windows-10-mobile https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-officially-cancels-...

bitmapbrother 9y ago

And it too would have failed miserably and probably faster than the Amazon Fire phone. Android without Google Play Services is an instant failure.