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Every enterprise I have worked at had both linux and mac available to developers. Is this not your experience? You seem to present as truth the opposite of wh

Every enterprise I have worked at had both linux and mac available to developers. Is this not your experience? You seem to present as truth the opposite of what I have lived.

blackoil 9y ago
Developers make a very small percentage of overall enterprise market.
jeff_petersen 9y ago
In my (bigcorp) experience, its all windows all the way with macs available only to developers who have a need (iOS dev usually). And don’t forget that developers are a tiny minority of employees.
- megaman22 9y ago
  As seemingly ubiquitous as Macbooks are, their market share has never really budged. It's been 3-5% for the entirety of the OS X era.
  - jorvi 9y ago
    That's because there has never been a <$999 MacBook. If you purely start to look at the Ultrabook segment then MacBooks have an absolutely staggering market share.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      I seldom see any Macs around in most southern European countries, but I do see ultrabook PCs running Windows like the Asus ones.
pjmlp 9y ago
I never worked on an enterprise with GNU/Linux worstations on their IT policy, on some companies IT tolerated rebel developers provided they took care 100% of integration issues with the company network and official tools. Macs are usually only available to upper management, unless required for iOS development, in which case they are part of a pool shared among project teams.
dagw 9y ago
Is this not your experience? Not at all. Linux can sometimes be made available on servers if necessary, but if you want Linux on your desktop you have to use a VM (ideally without telling IT). Never worked at a large place where Macs where readily available. Macs used to be more popular ~10 years ago or so with the marketing and communications people doing a lot of DTP and design work, but even that seems to have greatly decreased.
- jmkni 9y ago
  In my experience, it’s depressingly common for companies to have one single Mac that they dust off once a year to test something in Safari.
MagnumOpus 9y ago
"Developers" are a miniscule share of "enterprise". We are talking about the billion computers on corporate office workers' desks, not about the maybe-a-million computers of web/network/systems developers. Counter-anecdote: every place I worked at including 4-5 major companies in various industries had compulsory windows desktops for everyone. The few of us that also had a Linux (or AIX/HP-UX/...) machines that we did our work on, SSHd into those machines.
EpicEng 9y ago
What OS were the other 98% (i.e. non-devs) of employees using?
- herbst 9y ago
  Usually Mac in my experience because nobody on their right mind would bother with Windows in a working environment.
  - chrisper 9y ago
    Except people who do .NET development, no? I wish I could use Linux, but I can't since I am working on WPF stuff.
  - EpicEng 9y ago
    Then I guess the vast majority of people are insane because Mac use in Enterprise is essentially non-existent.
    - herbst 9y ago
      To be fair in my limited experience it is true. I live and work and Switzerland, the majority of customers i faced with, i.e. medium to bigger companies, universities and gov agencies all used Macs. I travelled as Digitalnomad, and went to plenty meetups around Startups, Entrepreneurship and other not 100% tech things. Clear mac dominance as well. However i work with Rails, Python and fancy things. I know if i would look into .NET/suit wearing side of things, things would look very different.

Every enterprise I have worked at had both linux and mac available to developers. Is this not your experience? You seem to present as truth the opposite of what I have lived.

blackoil 9y ago

Developers make a very small percentage of overall enterprise market.

jeff_petersen 9y ago

In my (bigcorp) experience, its all windows all the way with macs available only to developers who have a need (iOS dev usually). And don’t forget that developers are a tiny minority of employees.

megaman22 9y ago
As seemingly ubiquitous as Macbooks are, their market share has never really budged. It's been 3-5% for the entirety of the OS X era.
- jorvi 9y ago
  That's because there has never been a <$999 MacBook. If you purely start to look at the Ultrabook segment then MacBooks have an absolutely staggering market share.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    I seldom see any Macs around in most southern European countries, but I do see ultrabook PCs running Windows like the Asus ones.

pjmlp 9y ago

I never worked on an enterprise with GNU/Linux worstations on their IT policy, on some companies IT tolerated rebel developers provided they took care 100% of integration issues with the company network and official tools. Macs are usually only available to upper management, unless required for iOS development, in which case they are part of a pool shared among project teams.

dagw 9y ago

Is this not your experience? Not at all. Linux can sometimes be made available on servers if necessary, but if you want Linux on your desktop you have to use a VM (ideally without telling IT). Never worked at a large place where Macs where readily available. Macs used to be more popular ~10 years ago or so with the marketing and communications people doing a lot of DTP and design work, but even that seems to have greatly decreased.

jmkni 9y ago
In my experience, it’s depressingly common for companies to have one single Mac that they dust off once a year to test something in Safari.

MagnumOpus 9y ago

"Developers" are a miniscule share of "enterprise". We are talking about the billion computers on corporate office workers' desks, not about the maybe-a-million computers of web/network/systems developers. Counter-anecdote: every place I worked at including 4-5 major companies in various industries had compulsory windows desktops for everyone. The few of us that also had a Linux (or AIX/HP-UX/...) machines that we did our work on, SSHd into those machines.

EpicEng 9y ago

What OS were the other 98% (i.e. non-devs) of employees using?

herbst 9y ago
Usually Mac in my experience because nobody on their right mind would bother with Windows in a working environment.
- chrisper 9y ago
  Except people who do .NET development, no? I wish I could use Linux, but I can't since I am working on WPF stuff.
- EpicEng 9y ago
  Then I guess the vast majority of people are insane because Mac use in Enterprise is essentially non-existent.
  - herbst 9y ago
    To be fair in my limited experience it is true. I live and work and Switzerland, the majority of customers i faced with, i.e. medium to bigger companies, universities and gov agencies all used Macs. I travelled as Digitalnomad, and went to plenty meetups around Startups, Entrepreneurship and other not 100% tech things. Clear mac dominance as well. However i work with Rails, Python and fancy things. I know if i would look into .NET/suit wearing side of things, things would look very different.