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I'm not sure why you say "has become". In the circles I've been it has been common practice to wait for the .2(but minimum .1) release before it goes onto real

I'm not sure why you say "has become". In the circles I've been it has been common practice to wait for the .2(but minimum .1) release before it goes onto real work machines. The early Mac OS X releases were even worse. Even if for some reason the OS itself was fine by itself, they almost always broke compat with a bunch of 3rd party applications. EDIT: typo

arghwhat 9y ago
"4rd party"...
- jmnicolas 9y ago
  Nobody ever mentions the 2nd party either !
  - toyg 9y ago
    2nd party used to be the actual user :)
    - Fnoord 9y ago
      Does that make people who drink at birthday parties the 2nd party?
  - executesorder66 9y ago
    Vendor is 1st party, customer is 2nd party.
Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
Exactly. "Never buy the first version of any new Apple product", whether hardware or OS, has been well-known for at least 10 years: https://www.engadget.com/2006/06/03/why-first-generation-apple-products-suck/ https://www.engadget.com/2006/06/03/why-first-generation-app... (That said, I've found my first-gen Apple Watch to be a great product. First-gen iPad is a paperweight though...)
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  Never buy the first version of any new product
  - jackhack 9y ago
    Mostly, that's true. Or at least understand you're on the edge. Cutting or bleeding, it's hard to say ahead of time but usually pretty obvious after a week of real-world use. I respect Apple, they take chances. Sometimes it pays off. Off the top of my head: Products where 1st generation was amazing: Apple ][ iPod Lisa iPhone Products where 1st gen was almost unusable, but v2+ was amazing: Macintosh (Amazing, but frequent disk swapping was an issue.) Messagepad (first gen soured the press and the public due to connectivity issues. Modem vs cellular.) DOA: Apple 3 (anyone else remember the service bulletin that asked users to slam it on the desk to reseat the chips?) Pippin
    - TheAceOfHearts 9y ago
      Original iPhone didn't have 3G, which many definitely considered to be a huge flaw. It also didn't have native applications.
      - r00fus 9y ago
        It's not a huge flaw, as the mobile 3G (esp. AT&T's) networks weren't that good in 2007. The fact that you could get (edge speed) unlimited internet for $20/iPhone was pretty amazing. Same for Palm/Verizon was $45 and more for 3G. Native apps showed up in jailbreaks which I installed literally months after the release. The app install process was unparalleled.
      - madeofpalk 9y ago
        Lacking features is not what the “don’t buy first version” people are talking about. They’ve warning against unknown bugs, not the obvious and known lack of 3G
  - ShinTakuya 9y ago
skgoa 9y ago
That's the standard MO with pretty much any big piece of software. Other than security updates, you really don't want to take the risk of becoming the one who finds the inevitable bugs.
coldcode 9y ago
I've actually never had an issue updating to a .0 release for OS X/MacOS, though I always make sure I have a full disk backup. Xcode on the other hand...

arghwhat 9y ago

"4rd party"...

jmnicolas 9y ago
Nobody ever mentions the 2nd party either !
- toyg 9y ago
  2nd party used to be the actual user :)
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    Does that make people who drink at birthday parties the 2nd party?
- executesorder66 9y ago
  Vendor is 1st party, customer is 2nd party.

Doctor_Fegg 9y ago

Exactly. "Never buy the first version of any new Apple product", whether hardware or OS, has been well-known for at least 10 years: https://www.engadget.com/2006/06/03/why-first-generation-apple-products-suck/ https://www.engadget.com/2006/06/03/why-first-generation-app... (That said, I've found my first-gen Apple Watch to be a great product. First-gen iPad is a paperweight though...)

madeofpalk 9y ago
Never buy the first version of any new product
- jackhack 9y ago
  Mostly, that's true. Or at least understand you're on the edge. Cutting or bleeding, it's hard to say ahead of time but usually pretty obvious after a week of real-world use. I respect Apple, they take chances. Sometimes it pays off. Off the top of my head: Products where 1st generation was amazing: Apple ][ iPod Lisa iPhone Products where 1st gen was almost unusable, but v2+ was amazing: Macintosh (Amazing, but frequent disk swapping was an issue.) Messagepad (first gen soured the press and the public due to connectivity issues. Modem vs cellular.) DOA: Apple 3 (anyone else remember the service bulletin that asked users to slam it on the desk to reseat the chips?) Pippin
  - TheAceOfHearts 9y ago
    Original iPhone didn't have 3G, which many definitely considered to be a huge flaw. It also didn't have native applications.
    - r00fus 9y ago
      It's not a huge flaw, as the mobile 3G (esp. AT&T's) networks weren't that good in 2007. The fact that you could get (edge speed) unlimited internet for $20/iPhone was pretty amazing. Same for Palm/Verizon was $45 and more for 3G. Native apps showed up in jailbreaks which I installed literally months after the release. The app install process was unparalleled.
    - madeofpalk 9y ago
      Lacking features is not what the “don’t buy first version” people are talking about. They’ve warning against unknown bugs, not the obvious and known lack of 3G
- ShinTakuya 9y ago

skgoa 9y ago

That's the standard MO with pretty much any big piece of software. Other than security updates, you really don't want to take the risk of becoming the one who finds the inevitable bugs.

coldcode 9y ago

I've actually never had an issue updating to a .0 release for OS X/MacOS, though I always make sure I have a full disk backup. Xcode on the other hand...