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Everyone complains about healthcare. It's a universal thing. In New Zealand, everyone complains about healthcare, even though hospital care is free and doctors

Everyone complains about healthcare. It's a universal thing. In New Zealand, everyone complains about healthcare, even though hospital care is free and doctors visits are really cheap. Everyone in the UK complains about the NHS, people in Canada complain about wait times at hospitals.

nindalf 9y ago
> Everyone complains Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Perhaps you could contribute something more substantive than this because it leads the conversation in an unproductive direction - "oh I live in the UK and everyone I speak to loves the NHS"
- pjc50 9y ago
  .. but they also complain about it. Expressing affection by bickering is very British.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  Except that everyone complaining is the closest thing politicians get to an an RFP.
clappski 9y ago
Everyone in the UK complains about the way the goverment run/fund the NHS, and the majority of the issues people have with the service are due to bad outsourcing choices or services affected by funding cuts. It's a big distinction.
vertex-four 9y ago
Yes, people complain, but in New Zealand and much of Europe you can get your healthcare eventually. Maybe not always to world-best standards (although more often than right-wing newspapers would like to suggest), but good enough. In the US, there are people who can't access healthcare at all - not because there's not enough providers, but simply because they don't have enough money. There's insurance plans that will cover very little unless you have a car crash, due to very high deductibles - much of America is on these.
- gozur88 9y ago
  >In the US, there are people who can't access healthcare at all - not because there's not enough providers, but simply because they don't have enough money. That's not true. We have public hospitals, and we also have Medicaid.
  - vertex-four 9y ago
    Nope. I know plenty of people personally who are in the situation where they make too much money to be on Medicaid, but not enough to be on health insurance that'll actually cover anything without a deductible in the thousands. Obamacare made things better, but it's still very far from covering what universal healthcare covers for many. Public hospitals do not treat people for free.
    - gozur88 9y ago
      Public hospitals don't treat people for free officially, but the reality is most of the people don't pay and they won't refuse to treat you.
      - vertex-four 9y ago
        The only situation in which a hospital is required to treat you - public hospitals included - is if you go to ER and are not in a stable condition. They will not provide e.g. medicine for lifelong chronic conditions, or the tests required to make sure that medicine isn't killing you until you're practically already dead. They won't provide necessary surgery unless you're literally about to die from not having it. They won't provide psychiatric help. It is not a treatment option for anything except a car crash or severe acute illness.

nindalf 9y ago

> Everyone complains Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Perhaps you could contribute something more substantive than this because it leads the conversation in an unproductive direction - "oh I live in the UK and everyone I speak to loves the NHS"

pjc50 9y ago
.. but they also complain about it. Expressing affection by bickering is very British.
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
Except that everyone complaining is the closest thing politicians get to an an RFP.

clappski 9y ago

Everyone in the UK complains about the way the goverment run/fund the NHS, and the majority of the issues people have with the service are due to bad outsourcing choices or services affected by funding cuts. It's a big distinction.

vertex-four 9y ago

Yes, people complain, but in New Zealand and much of Europe you can get your healthcare eventually. Maybe not always to world-best standards (although more often than right-wing newspapers would like to suggest), but good enough. In the US, there are people who can't access healthcare at all - not because there's not enough providers, but simply because they don't have enough money. There's insurance plans that will cover very little unless you have a car crash, due to very high deductibles - much of America is on these.

gozur88 9y ago
>In the US, there are people who can't access healthcare at all - not because there's not enough providers, but simply because they don't have enough money. That's not true. We have public hospitals, and we also have Medicaid.
- vertex-four 9y ago
  Nope. I know plenty of people personally who are in the situation where they make too much money to be on Medicaid, but not enough to be on health insurance that'll actually cover anything without a deductible in the thousands. Obamacare made things better, but it's still very far from covering what universal healthcare covers for many. Public hospitals do not treat people for free.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    Public hospitals don't treat people for free officially, but the reality is most of the people don't pay and they won't refuse to treat you.
    - vertex-four 9y ago
      The only situation in which a hospital is required to treat you - public hospitals included - is if you go to ER and are not in a stable condition. They will not provide e.g. medicine for lifelong chronic conditions, or the tests required to make sure that medicine isn't killing you until you're practically already dead. They won't provide necessary surgery unless you're literally about to die from not having it. They won't provide psychiatric help. It is not a treatment option for anything except a car crash or severe acute illness.