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I don't see what's "smarter" about it. - The UI seems clumsy and is so flat that it doesn't offer any directional hinting at all. - It's the same size as Fire

I don't see what's "smarter" about it. - The UI seems clumsy and is so flat that it doesn't offer any directional hinting at all. - It's the same size as Firefox (160MB) despite offering significantly less features. - It's resource consumption seems to be about 25% more than a fresh Firefox instance.

userbinator 9y ago
and is so flat that it doesn't offer any directional hinting at all. These featureless, "wide expanse of pure white" UIs are one of the things that most irritates me about "modern" software today. They give the impression of being unfinished and opaque.
- capex 9y ago
  Its not the flatness, its lack of design. See for example, https://www.sail.com.au/ https://www.sail.com.au/, which is flat too, but with a cohesive design.
  - Meph504 9y ago
    I am pretty sure core to "Flat UI" is that drop shadows shouldn't be used, and there is hardly an element on that site that isn't full of them.
    - capex 9y ago
      Flat UI is not "flat", please read up on the topic.
  - mrmondo 9y ago
    That site looks pretty awful to me, while I can clearly make out the buttons from other elements it looks like a old stock Drupal theme or something along those lines.
    - capex 9y ago
      Design is highly subjective, but from the designer's eye, there is no comparison between the two sites.
rqs 9y ago
> It's the same size as Firefox (160MB) despite offering significantly less features. Part of that is because of Electron. From the day Electron was released, I knew somebody will build a Web Browser upon it. Now that day finally came, again. LOL
- dblohm7 9y ago
  That day came a while back: Brave.
  - rqs 9y ago
    OK, I ... adjusted my comment :D
  - tim-- 9y ago
    To be fair, Brave uses Muon, which is not really electron[1]. Muon is similar to Electron, in that it uses Chromium, but different as in, it's really pretty much Chrome[ium], not some hacked together fork, avoiding branches like 'upgrade-to-chrome-61' [2]. It also puts back in the security features from Chromium (ie, the Sandboxes[6]) and allows for Chrom(e|ium) extensions to run inside Muon directly. The Brave team have been working[3] pretty hard to re-unify Chrome[ium] into Electron. You could make the case that the UI is written in Javascript for Brave, but then again[4], Chrome calls Javascript code when you open a new tab[5], and renders out the New Tab content as HTML, so, what's the diff?... 1: https://github.com/brave/muon https://github.com/brave/muon 2: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/10213 https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/10213 3: https://github.com/brave/muon/commit/5e32814490ae33eee08589e1f15e9ae4017fa477 https://github.com/brave/muon/commit/5e32814490ae33eee08589e... 4: https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab 5: https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab-serviceworker.js https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab-serviceworker.js 6: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/brag-sheet https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/brag-sheet

userbinator 9y ago

and is so flat that it doesn't offer any directional hinting at all. These featureless, "wide expanse of pure white" UIs are one of the things that most irritates me about "modern" software today. They give the impression of being unfinished and opaque.

capex 9y ago
Its not the flatness, its lack of design. See for example, https://www.sail.com.au/ https://www.sail.com.au/, which is flat too, but with a cohesive design.
- Meph504 9y ago
  I am pretty sure core to "Flat UI" is that drop shadows shouldn't be used, and there is hardly an element on that site that isn't full of them.
  - capex 9y ago
    Flat UI is not "flat", please read up on the topic.
- mrmondo 9y ago
  That site looks pretty awful to me, while I can clearly make out the buttons from other elements it looks like a old stock Drupal theme or something along those lines.
  - capex 9y ago
    Design is highly subjective, but from the designer's eye, there is no comparison between the two sites.

rqs 9y ago

> It's the same size as Firefox (160MB) despite offering significantly less features. Part of that is because of Electron. From the day Electron was released, I knew somebody will build a Web Browser upon it. Now that day finally came, again. LOL

dblohm7 9y ago
That day came a while back: Brave.
- rqs 9y ago
  OK, I ... adjusted my comment :D
- tim-- 9y ago
  To be fair, Brave uses Muon, which is not really electron[1]. Muon is similar to Electron, in that it uses Chromium, but different as in, it's really pretty much Chrome[ium], not some hacked together fork, avoiding branches like 'upgrade-to-chrome-61' [2]. It also puts back in the security features from Chromium (ie, the Sandboxes[6]) and allows for Chrom(e|ium) extensions to run inside Muon directly. The Brave team have been working[3] pretty hard to re-unify Chrome[ium] into Electron. You could make the case that the UI is written in Javascript for Brave, but then again[4], Chrome calls Javascript code when you open a new tab[5], and renders out the New Tab content as HTML, so, what's the diff?... 1: https://github.com/brave/muon https://github.com/brave/muon 2: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/10213 https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/10213 3: https://github.com/brave/muon/commit/5e32814490ae33eee08589e1f15e9ae4017fa477 https://github.com/brave/muon/commit/5e32814490ae33eee08589e... 4: https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab 5: https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab-serviceworker.js https://www.google.com/_/chrome/newtab-serviceworker.js 6: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/brag-sheet https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/brag-sheet