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That seems off. Do you have a citation? Is that counting only lawful immigration and how many of those where undocumented workers moving back and how many are

by KGIII 9y ago

That seems off. Do you have a citation? Is that counting only lawful immigration and how many of those where undocumented workers moving back and how many are counted that were legally forced to return to their country? It's actually not easy to get permanent resident visas in Mexico, which makes me think there is something amiss. They also really, really don't like immigration violations in Mexico. I'd be very interested in seeing the sources for this statistic.

Clubber 9y ago
It's true. It's a result of the 2008 crash. Here's an article from 2009-2014. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-... Apparently it's still happening: https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-18/more-mexicans-are-crossing-border-leave-us-here-s-one-family-s-story https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-18/more-mexicans-are-cro...
- KGIII 9y ago
  I don't doubt that it is true, I doubt that it is telling the whole story. Your links seem to indicate that I am right to be reserved in judgement. Undocumented workers going home or being forced to go home really isn't indicative of any great trend. When American citizens are moving to Mexico at a greater rate than those coming here, that'd be significant.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    Here's an article on legal immigration from 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/world/americas/for-migrants-new-land-of-opportunity-is-mexico.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/world/americas/for-migrant... ...leading to a historic milestone: more Americans have been added to the population of Mexico over the past few years than Mexicans have been added to the population of the United States, according to government data in both nations. The numbers in the article don't line up, or it isn't clear. Americans now make up more than three-quarters of Mexico’s roughly one million documented foreigners Indicates ~750K, then goes on to state the number of Americans legally living and working in Mexico grew to more than 70,000 in 2012
    - KGIII 9y ago
      Yeah, 750,000 (or 70,000) really pales in comparison to the number of documented Mexicans in the US. In other words, this just reinforces my understanding that there is no great trend, that the stat is certainly true but woefully out of context and not indicative of any great trend. I'm also not sure how 750,000 'grew to more than 70,000.' Let's be honest, really. America has lots of faults but people are still dying to get here and we absolutely don't have a problem getting more people to move here or with retaining local talent. There are about 12,000,000 documented Mexicans living or working in the US.

by KGIII 9y ago

Clubber 9y ago

It's true. It's a result of the 2008 crash. Here's an article from 2009-2014. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-... Apparently it's still happening: https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-18/more-mexicans-are-crossing-border-leave-us-here-s-one-family-s-story https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-18/more-mexicans-are-cro...

KGIII 9y ago
I don't doubt that it is true, I doubt that it is telling the whole story. Your links seem to indicate that I am right to be reserved in judgement. Undocumented workers going home or being forced to go home really isn't indicative of any great trend. When American citizens are moving to Mexico at a greater rate than those coming here, that'd be significant.
- Clubber 9y ago
  Here's an article on legal immigration from 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/world/americas/for-migrants-new-land-of-opportunity-is-mexico.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/world/americas/for-migrant... ...leading to a historic milestone: more Americans have been added to the population of Mexico over the past few years than Mexicans have been added to the population of the United States, according to government data in both nations. The numbers in the article don't line up, or it isn't clear. Americans now make up more than three-quarters of Mexico’s roughly one million documented foreigners Indicates ~750K, then goes on to state the number of Americans legally living and working in Mexico grew to more than 70,000 in 2012
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Yeah, 750,000 (or 70,000) really pales in comparison to the number of documented Mexicans in the US. In other words, this just reinforces my understanding that there is no great trend, that the stat is certainly true but woefully out of context and not indicative of any great trend. I'm also not sure how 750,000 'grew to more than 70,000.' Let's be honest, really. America has lots of faults but people are still dying to get here and we absolutely don't have a problem getting more people to move here or with retaining local talent. There are about 12,000,000 documented Mexicans living or working in the US.