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Ah yes lets blame Trump! He was elected you know. I think it goes deeper than that. America never really embraced the dream of a utopian socialist welfare stat

by Feniks 9y ago

Ah yes lets blame Trump! He was elected you know. I think it goes deeper than that. America never really embraced the dream of a utopian socialist welfare state. The government is weak, constantly being influenced by moneyed interests and chronically underfunded.

DougWebb 9y ago
Ah yes lets blame Trump! He was elected you know. Mistakes happen. The mature thing to do is acknowledge them and work to repair the damage. No one needs to completely reverse everything they believe in to do that.
- at-fates-hands 9y ago
  I know a LOT of people who felt the same way after living under eight years of Obama. To them, they feel like they have corrected the mistake of the last president.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    These people are by and large the enemy and not because of a single election. Their aims are inimical to the interests of me and mine. I no longer regard them as any different than the residents of say Iran, China, or Russia. Like the russians and Iranians as human beings our interests may align and we may work towards the same ends but we are not now be fellow Americans in any meaningful sense.
jacquesm 9y ago
Makes you wonder how many people that voted for him now regret that.
- refurb 9y ago
  The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Based on that number, I'd say not that many regret it at all.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ That's closer to 38%.
    - refurb 9y ago
      Either number is pretty solid considering the number who voted for him!
    - stevenwoo 9y ago
      Don't most polls show the split down party lines with non GOP voters having 60-80 percent disapproval and GOP voters having 75-90 percent approval. When I listened to Trump voters on radio interviews and that Oprah interview for 60 minutes, they don't read/hear the same things I hear when I read/hear Trump's words or say we need to give him a chance to do what he promised.
refurb 9y ago
America never really embraced the dream of a utopian socialist welfare state. Maybe because Americans have seen socialist welfare states are far from a utopia?
- orf 9y ago
  Only 46% of Americans hold a passport though, so less than that have left the country, and even less than that have visited "socialist welfare states". So, in short, no. Quite a few have visited Europe though and loved things like the quality, cost and availability of healthcare. If more US citizens could look outward at other countries than inward at divisions of their own making, things like shitty healthcare and drug policies might improve.
  - refurb 9y ago
    Are you saying a trip to the Eiffel Tower in Paris gives people a sense as to what it's like to live in France? Let's not kid ourselves here. Spending a weekend at Fisherman's Warf isn't going to give you much a perspective of living in San Francisco.
    - orf 9y ago
      I'm not sure how that's relevant, especially as it seems to counter your original comment ("Maybe because Americans have seen socialist welfare states are far from a utopia?") And no, I mean they injured themselves and experienced the healthcare system firsthand.
dom0 9y ago
While technically true, it's never good to argue with election results if they are a very close call; politicians like to ("clearly a one seat majority means that the people have spoken!1"), but it is not a serious approach.

by Feniks 9y ago

DougWebb 9y ago

Ah yes lets blame Trump! He was elected you know. Mistakes happen. The mature thing to do is acknowledge them and work to repair the damage. No one needs to completely reverse everything they believe in to do that.

at-fates-hands 9y ago
I know a LOT of people who felt the same way after living under eight years of Obama. To them, they feel like they have corrected the mistake of the last president.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  These people are by and large the enemy and not because of a single election. Their aims are inimical to the interests of me and mine. I no longer regard them as any different than the residents of say Iran, China, or Russia. Like the russians and Iranians as human beings our interests may align and we may work towards the same ends but we are not now be fellow Americans in any meaningful sense.

jacquesm 9y ago

Makes you wonder how many people that voted for him now regret that.

refurb 9y ago
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Based on that number, I'd say not that many regret it at all.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ That's closer to 38%.
  - refurb 9y ago
    Either number is pretty solid considering the number who voted for him!
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    Don't most polls show the split down party lines with non GOP voters having 60-80 percent disapproval and GOP voters having 75-90 percent approval. When I listened to Trump voters on radio interviews and that Oprah interview for 60 minutes, they don't read/hear the same things I hear when I read/hear Trump's words or say we need to give him a chance to do what he promised.

refurb 9y ago

America never really embraced the dream of a utopian socialist welfare state. Maybe because Americans have seen socialist welfare states are far from a utopia?

orf 9y ago
Only 46% of Americans hold a passport though, so less than that have left the country, and even less than that have visited "socialist welfare states". So, in short, no. Quite a few have visited Europe though and loved things like the quality, cost and availability of healthcare. If more US citizens could look outward at other countries than inward at divisions of their own making, things like shitty healthcare and drug policies might improve.
- refurb 9y ago
  Are you saying a trip to the Eiffel Tower in Paris gives people a sense as to what it's like to live in France? Let's not kid ourselves here. Spending a weekend at Fisherman's Warf isn't going to give you much a perspective of living in San Francisco.
  - orf 9y ago
    I'm not sure how that's relevant, especially as it seems to counter your original comment ("Maybe because Americans have seen socialist welfare states are far from a utopia?") And no, I mean they injured themselves and experienced the healthcare system firsthand.

dom0 9y ago

While technically true, it's never good to argue with election results if they are a very close call; politicians like to ("clearly a one seat majority means that the people have spoken!1"), but it is not a serious approach.