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Factory people were once the heart of the labor movement. Now people on the city just can’t believe how ignorant folks in the country would vote for someone the

Factory people were once the heart of the labor movement. Now people on the city just can’t believe how ignorant folks in the country would vote for someone they hate so much.

mjevans 9y ago
As one of those living 'in a city' my disbelief stems from: * Someone that votes against their own interests, seemingly because they're willing to believe sound bites instead of hard facts. (Voting based on emotion rather than logic.) * That we refuse to reform political funding. * That corporations can have more rights/power than individuals. * That the only real problems the working class has with 'Obamacare' is that they don't understand it and hate the name. Though I imagine if they were offered a healthcare plan where they could see (nearly) any doctor in the area, not have to shop for healthcare, keep their healthcare from job to job, and didn't have to worry about medical bills showing up months later... Yeah, I think they'd like the /features/ of a single payer system. * That we aren't willing to have a real talk about tax reform (based on returning to a tax structure more like in the 1950s where the lower 90th percentile paid much less, and those earning the most paid /far/ more (in line with how many workers worth of income they were hoarding)).
- mistermann 9y ago
  Who do you believe is at fault for the things you point out?
  - mjevans 9y ago
    Collectively we (the voters) all are. Too many have been easy targets. We've (as an aggregate) allowed our selves to be easily swayed and frothed in to frenzies instead of taking a solid moment to calmly and rationally reflect on the actual history of the decision makers we're electing. Last election was, hopefully, a rock bottom. The actual choices offered were both really awful. My biggest issue is that I don't actually see a path for getting out of this pit we're in. "Regulatory capture" has everyone involved in politics addicted to money like those addicted to pain pills and the illegal drugs they are forced to turn to after the legitimate prescriptions expire. The USA /needs/ a real third, and fourth, and fifth party, and at least two of /those/ need to stay 'clean'.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      As long as the two major parties are in collusion, offering two options only slightly different from each other, little progress is possible. I also don't see a way out. A Trump style outsider win was I think the most unlikely event that could have possibly shown us another way, but he's turned out to be "a bit of a disappointment" to put it nicely.
- coredog64 9y ago
  Why are people who vote Republican singled out as dumb/misguided for voting against their own interests but others are not? Warren Buffet believes tax rates should be higher. Is that not against his own interests? Very few people will call him out as dumb or misguided.
  - mjevans 9y ago
    The post I was responding to was singling out the viewpoint those "in the city(ies)" have against those (not like them). You may notice that said response does NOT in any way reflect an opinion based on my own self or those I feel fall in to the general category called out in the post I was responding to; positive or negative. I was merely answering the supposition asked and providing a hopefully helpful critical perspective that might be used for self reflection and improvement. A different reply to my post asked 'who's at fault': which allowed me to expand my opinion and observations to include the general population within the US. Please do not mis-interpret my meaning or take my words out of their intended limited context with baiting and inflammatory replies that are not designed for a productive and stimulating discussion.
  - sidlls 9y ago
    Bad example: Buffet's interest is served if the disparity in taxation is resolved or at least mitigated. The Republican voters you're talking about don't understand, either out of ignorance or stupidity, that the people they vote for literally are acting opposite to the their interests.
  - vacri 9y ago
    > Is that not against his own interests? The effects of higher tax rates on Buffet's quality of life are entirely negligible. In the words-ish of Bill Gates: once you're eating $30 hamburgers, the extra money doesn't really do much.
- at-fates-hands 9y ago
  > Someone that votes against their own interests, seemingly because they're willing to believe sound bites instead of hard facts. (Voting based on emotion rather than logic.) The funny part about this is the fact if this was true, then I'm baffled they vote Republican considering the majority of the MSM is on the DNC payroll and has been for about a decade now. The barely audible voice of the conservative right is heard mainly through Fox News and conservative talk radio. The rest of the distribution channels are all owned by Liberal slanted media. I mean, MSNBC doesn't even hide the fact their a shill for the Democratic party anymore.

Factory people were once the heart of the labor movement. Now people on the city just can’t believe how ignorant folks in the country would vote for someone they hate so much.

mjevans 9y ago

As one of those living 'in a city' my disbelief stems from: * Someone that votes against their own interests, seemingly because they're willing to believe sound bites instead of hard facts. (Voting based on emotion rather than logic.) * That we refuse to reform political funding. * That corporations can have more rights/power than individuals. * That the only real problems the working class has with 'Obamacare' is that they don't understand it and hate the name. Though I imagine if they were offered a healthcare plan where they could see (nearly) any doctor in the area, not have to shop for healthcare, keep their healthcare from job to job, and didn't have to worry about medical bills showing up months later... Yeah, I think they'd like the /features/ of a single payer system. * That we aren't willing to have a real talk about tax reform (based on returning to a tax structure more like in the 1950s where the lower 90th percentile paid much less, and those earning the most paid /far/ more (in line with how many workers worth of income they were hoarding)).

mistermann 9y ago
Who do you believe is at fault for the things you point out?
- mjevans 9y ago
  Collectively we (the voters) all are. Too many have been easy targets. We've (as an aggregate) allowed our selves to be easily swayed and frothed in to frenzies instead of taking a solid moment to calmly and rationally reflect on the actual history of the decision makers we're electing. Last election was, hopefully, a rock bottom. The actual choices offered were both really awful. My biggest issue is that I don't actually see a path for getting out of this pit we're in. "Regulatory capture" has everyone involved in politics addicted to money like those addicted to pain pills and the illegal drugs they are forced to turn to after the legitimate prescriptions expire. The USA /needs/ a real third, and fourth, and fifth party, and at least two of /those/ need to stay 'clean'.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    As long as the two major parties are in collusion, offering two options only slightly different from each other, little progress is possible. I also don't see a way out. A Trump style outsider win was I think the most unlikely event that could have possibly shown us another way, but he's turned out to be "a bit of a disappointment" to put it nicely.
coredog64 9y ago
Why are people who vote Republican singled out as dumb/misguided for voting against their own interests but others are not? Warren Buffet believes tax rates should be higher. Is that not against his own interests? Very few people will call him out as dumb or misguided.
- mjevans 9y ago
  The post I was responding to was singling out the viewpoint those "in the city(ies)" have against those (not like them). You may notice that said response does NOT in any way reflect an opinion based on my own self or those I feel fall in to the general category called out in the post I was responding to; positive or negative. I was merely answering the supposition asked and providing a hopefully helpful critical perspective that might be used for self reflection and improvement. A different reply to my post asked 'who's at fault': which allowed me to expand my opinion and observations to include the general population within the US. Please do not mis-interpret my meaning or take my words out of their intended limited context with baiting and inflammatory replies that are not designed for a productive and stimulating discussion.
- sidlls 9y ago
  Bad example: Buffet's interest is served if the disparity in taxation is resolved or at least mitigated. The Republican voters you're talking about don't understand, either out of ignorance or stupidity, that the people they vote for literally are acting opposite to the their interests.
- vacri 9y ago
  > Is that not against his own interests? The effects of higher tax rates on Buffet's quality of life are entirely negligible. In the words-ish of Bill Gates: once you're eating $30 hamburgers, the extra money doesn't really do much.
at-fates-hands 9y ago
> Someone that votes against their own interests, seemingly because they're willing to believe sound bites instead of hard facts. (Voting based on emotion rather than logic.) The funny part about this is the fact if this was true, then I'm baffled they vote Republican considering the majority of the MSM is on the DNC payroll and has been for about a decade now. The barely audible voice of the conservative right is heard mainly through Fox News and conservative talk radio. The rest of the distribution channels are all owned by Liberal slanted media. I mean, MSNBC doesn't even hide the fact their a shill for the Democratic party anymore.