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Lehman's bonds went to 0 because all of its assets went out the door with its derivatives. If the derivatives had had the same status as other debts, including
by anamax 16y ago
Lehman's bonds went to 0 because all of its assets went out the door with its derivatives. If the derivatives had had the same status as other debts, including said bonds, those bonds would have been worth >0.
- hga 16y agoAre you really sure Lehman's bonds went to zero? No one was willing to take a chance they'd be worth something when everything was sorted out? I doubt that and would like to see some evidence of it. The problem for the Reserve Primary Fund was that their value dropped precipitously; I suspect it wouldn't have mattered if they ended up at 0, 1, 5 or 10 cents on the dollar. As for the derivatives, when it came time to settle them, as widely predicted they mostly canceled out with only (from memory) 6 billion US$ changing hands.
- anamax 16y ago> Are you really sure Lehman's bonds went to zero? The official story is that market essentially froze, that no one would buy. I'd have bought everything I could get my hands on at fractions of a cent (and possibly more), but they didn't ask me. (After they let individuals back in, I thought that all of the bargains were gone, so I didn't go bottom fishing. Big mistake. The great deals were gone, but there were still some opportunities left even when I got around to looking.) The money that left with the derivatives may have kept the bonds at 70-80 cents. Unless Reserve Primary was 100% Lehman, that might have been enough. > As for the derivatives, when it came time to settle them, as widely predicted they mostly canceled out with only (from memory) 6 billion US$ changing hands. Yup, but no one knew that when the derivatives were being made whole while everyone else waited to see what was left.