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>Any college of any-kind that makes a profit short of coding boot camps (and they’ll probably turn into a scam within a few years which is sad) You definitely

>Any college of any-kind that makes a profit short of coding boot camps (and they’ll probably turn into a scam within a few years which is sad) You definitely lost me there - while there are scam schools and the cost of reputable private colleges has ballooned from expensive through unacceptable into stratospheric, higher education remains one of the best investments a person can make in themselves. Yes, vocational training like coding bootcamps or other trade schools can be a way better path for a lot of people. And yes, the sort of bootcamp that charges 5 figures to teach you the javascript framework du jour is probably not worth what it charges. But a lot of bootcamps these days are partnering with large companies to learn what sort of skills are needed and going with income-based payment, something like X% of your income above $N for Y months expiring in Z years. I wouldn't write them off.

Top19 9y ago
To clarify I didn’t mean private colleges like Swarthmore, Westminster, or Rice. Schools like Kaplan, ITT, Cordon Bleu. Also I have no problems with coding bootcamps. But the schools I mentioned above, whose avarice I feel like knows no limits, will eventually discover “coding bootcamps” and make them into a brutal profit extraction machine with laughable education value. But again, that in no way has happened yet.
- rpeden 9y ago
  Kaplan did buy Dev Bootcamp a few years ago. I noticed that mentioned quite often in the articles that came out in July about Dev Bootcamp shutting down. I don't know anything about how Kaplan's ownership affected it though, either positively or negatively. Apollo Education (which owns the University of Phoenix) acquired The Iron Yard bootcamp in 2015, and it is shutting down as now as well. So in these cases at least, some of the large for-profit education providers don't seem to have found dev bootcamps (in their current form, anyway) to be very lucrative.
lithos 9y ago
For colleges I personally recommend "If they are going to you with advertising, they aren't good enough to be known by you or employers".
jmknoll 9y ago
Most (all?) legitimate colleges, public & private, are non-profit. For profit schools are things like DeVry college and Corinthian Colleges. These are pretty widely considered scammy.
murph-almighty 9y ago
>But a lot of bootcamps these days are partnering with large companies to learn what sort of skills are needed and going with income-based payment, something like X% of your income above $N for Y months expiring in Z years. I wouldn't write them off. The company I currently work for is spearheading a program like this- you go through a six month bootcamp and get placed in a the 2 year long rotational program for out-of-college hires. The distinction here is that they're also trying to pipe in college hires for the bootcamp, just those who discovered they liked CS too late or majored in the wrong thing.

Top19 9y ago

To clarify I didn’t mean private colleges like Swarthmore, Westminster, or Rice. Schools like Kaplan, ITT, Cordon Bleu. Also I have no problems with coding bootcamps. But the schools I mentioned above, whose avarice I feel like knows no limits, will eventually discover “coding bootcamps” and make them into a brutal profit extraction machine with laughable education value. But again, that in no way has happened yet.

rpeden 9y ago
Kaplan did buy Dev Bootcamp a few years ago. I noticed that mentioned quite often in the articles that came out in July about Dev Bootcamp shutting down. I don't know anything about how Kaplan's ownership affected it though, either positively or negatively. Apollo Education (which owns the University of Phoenix) acquired The Iron Yard bootcamp in 2015, and it is shutting down as now as well. So in these cases at least, some of the large for-profit education providers don't seem to have found dev bootcamps (in their current form, anyway) to be very lucrative.

lithos 9y ago

For colleges I personally recommend "If they are going to you with advertising, they aren't good enough to be known by you or employers".

jmknoll 9y ago

Most (all?) legitimate colleges, public & private, are non-profit. For profit schools are things like DeVry college and Corinthian Colleges. These are pretty widely considered scammy.

murph-almighty 9y ago

>But a lot of bootcamps these days are partnering with large companies to learn what sort of skills are needed and going with income-based payment, something like X% of your income above $N for Y months expiring in Z years. I wouldn't write them off. The company I currently work for is spearheading a program like this- you go through a six month bootcamp and get placed in a the 2 year long rotational program for out-of-college hires. The distinction here is that they're also trying to pipe in college hires for the bootcamp, just those who discovered they liked CS too late or majored in the wrong thing.