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Is this a trick where you post an item from 1999 and we all think it's recent? This seems completely pointless -surely anyone able to code HTML is also able to

Is this a trick where you post an item from 1999 and we all think it's recent? This seems completely pointless -surely anyone able to code HTML is also able to copy and paste a Css file from somewhere?

telemachos 16y ago
I don't think it's a trick at all, and I wish I knew about it years ago. The web is like that: tons of crap that's easy to find and lots of gems that you find, then lose, then maybe find again. (Sort of like visiting a really good used bookstore: you need to browse and hope to get lucky.) Some of the styles are not to my taste, but three or four of them are clean and simple and easy to read. They provide someone with no CSS a head-start. They provide someone with little design skills a head-start. How is this bad? (As for linking to a CSS file: the good thing here is that the authors explicitly offer them up for re-use. It's a bit underhanded to just find a website you like and "borrow" its CSS wholesale.)
- jamesbritt 16y ago
  "Some of the styles are not to my taste, but three or four of them are clean and simple and easy to read. They provide someone with no CSS a head-start. " Yes and no. It's probably better than nothing, but nowhere near as good as using something that considers layout as well, such as 960gs, jQuery-ui, Typogridphy, YUI, Blueprint, and so on. The CSS, much like the markup used in the sample doc, is more "Here's my thesis" than "Here's my Web site/app". And that's clearly related to the age of content.
  - telemachos 16y ago
    All fair points, though many people still write web sites with just pages, rather than web applications. (I do, for example.) Still, I agree that some kind of layout for columns would be great. As a non-designer, however, I find most of the grid systems immediately overwhelming. (For example, I'm looking now at the front page of 960gs, which I didn't know, and I want to cry. I have zero idea what I should or could do with that.)
    - jamesbritt 16y ago
      "For example, I'm looking now at the front page of 960gs, which I didn't know, and I want to cry. I have zero idea what I should or could do with that." I've been using 960gs quite a bit. It fairly simple (or at least it seems so now). The basic ideas: * Grid layouts are a Good Thing (see http://www.thegridsystem.org http://www.thegridsystem.org) * Grids work best when used with proper proportions and ratios * If you start with a fixed width of 960 pixels, you can get even divisions of 12 or 16 columns, with suitable margins between columns * You can use CSS to set the width and margins of div elements * 960gs defines CSS selectors to do just that, with styles for all combinations of column widths * You can nest grids; 960gs has container styles (to contain stuff, natch) and grid styles. * The 960.gs site has a number of example sites to glom ideas from For example <div class='container_12'> <div class='grid_6 alpha'>Foo</div> <div class='grid_4 '>Bar</div> <div class='grid_2 omega'>Baz</div> </div> splits the page into three sections, divvied up into different sizes. (The alpha and omega class values are used to trim margins on edge columns.) And that's pretty much it. Work out a layout based of 12 or 16 evenly-sized base columns, and use that to assign the CSS class values. Anyway, my E-mail is in my profile if you have questions. I'm no 960gs expert, but have been playing around with for a bit at least. Edit: Just re-discovered this page http://www.mostinspired.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/rip/16_fixed_jquery/ http://www.mostinspired.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/rip... A nice demo page of using 960gs with JQuery.
  - carussell 16y ago
    The CSS, much like the markup used in the sample doc, is more "Here's my thesis" than "Here's my Web site/app". And that's clearly related to the age of content. More Web sites should take the "Here's my thesis" approach.
Tichy 16y ago
Do you have a recommendation? I found it hard to find a good default style sheet. The "base" styles from YUI and Blueprint at least look horrible.
- jamesbritt 16y ago
  http://csswizardry.com/typogridphy/ http://csswizardry.com/typogridphy/ may be a good start. Clean and balanced.

telemachos 16y ago

I don't think it's a trick at all, and I wish I knew about it years ago. The web is like that: tons of crap that's easy to find and lots of gems that you find, then lose, then maybe find again. (Sort of like visiting a really good used bookstore: you need to browse and hope to get lucky.) Some of the styles are not to my taste, but three or four of them are clean and simple and easy to read. They provide someone with no CSS a head-start. They provide someone with little design skills a head-start. How is this bad? (As for linking to a CSS file: the good thing here is that the authors explicitly offer them up for re-use. It's a bit underhanded to just find a website you like and "borrow" its CSS wholesale.)

jamesbritt 16y ago
"Some of the styles are not to my taste, but three or four of them are clean and simple and easy to read. They provide someone with no CSS a head-start. " Yes and no. It's probably better than nothing, but nowhere near as good as using something that considers layout as well, such as 960gs, jQuery-ui, Typogridphy, YUI, Blueprint, and so on. The CSS, much like the markup used in the sample doc, is more "Here's my thesis" than "Here's my Web site/app". And that's clearly related to the age of content.
- telemachos 16y ago
  All fair points, though many people still write web sites with just pages, rather than web applications. (I do, for example.) Still, I agree that some kind of layout for columns would be great. As a non-designer, however, I find most of the grid systems immediately overwhelming. (For example, I'm looking now at the front page of 960gs, which I didn't know, and I want to cry. I have zero idea what I should or could do with that.)
  - jamesbritt 16y ago
    "For example, I'm looking now at the front page of 960gs, which I didn't know, and I want to cry. I have zero idea what I should or could do with that." I've been using 960gs quite a bit. It fairly simple (or at least it seems so now). The basic ideas: * Grid layouts are a Good Thing (see http://www.thegridsystem.org http://www.thegridsystem.org) * Grids work best when used with proper proportions and ratios * If you start with a fixed width of 960 pixels, you can get even divisions of 12 or 16 columns, with suitable margins between columns * You can use CSS to set the width and margins of div elements * 960gs defines CSS selectors to do just that, with styles for all combinations of column widths * You can nest grids; 960gs has container styles (to contain stuff, natch) and grid styles. * The 960.gs site has a number of example sites to glom ideas from For example <div class='container_12'> <div class='grid_6 alpha'>Foo</div> <div class='grid_4 '>Bar</div> <div class='grid_2 omega'>Baz</div> </div> splits the page into three sections, divvied up into different sizes. (The alpha and omega class values are used to trim margins on edge columns.) And that's pretty much it. Work out a layout based of 12 or 16 evenly-sized base columns, and use that to assign the CSS class values. Anyway, my E-mail is in my profile if you have questions. I'm no 960gs expert, but have been playing around with for a bit at least. Edit: Just re-discovered this page http://www.mostinspired.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/rip/16_fixed_jquery/ http://www.mostinspired.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/rip... A nice demo page of using 960gs with JQuery.
- carussell 16y ago
  The CSS, much like the markup used in the sample doc, is more "Here's my thesis" than "Here's my Web site/app". And that's clearly related to the age of content. More Web sites should take the "Here's my thesis" approach.

Tichy 16y ago

Do you have a recommendation? I found it hard to find a good default style sheet. The "base" styles from YUI and Blueprint at least look horrible.

jamesbritt 16y ago
http://csswizardry.com/typogridphy/ http://csswizardry.com/typogridphy/ may be a good start. Clean and balanced.