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If 10 wasn't seen as an enormous downgrade people would treat the vulnerability issues more seriously. Just the other day I saw a huge powershell script whose p

If 10 wasn't seen as an enormous downgrade people would treat the vulnerability issues more seriously. Just the other day I saw a huge powershell script whose purpose was to remove all the bloatware (which apparently re-installs itself on its own if you uninstall it normally). I don't want to bother with that stuff... And on top of that you have the telemetry, endless horror stories of forced restarts for updates, updates resetting settings and/or degrading performance (which took 5 months to resolve in the case of the Creators Update: https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-fix/ https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-...)...7 works like clockwork, with no bullshit.

gruez 9y ago
>And on top of that you have the telemetry, endless horror stories of forced restarts for updates, updates resetting settings and/or degrading performance (which took 5 months to resolve in the case of the Creators Update: https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-... https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-...)...7 works like clockwork, with no bullshit. And that's why you get LTSB, which have no "feature updates", only security updates for 10 years. Although one disadvantage is that the release schedule is sporadic (there was one in 2015, 2016, and the next one is in 2019). I guess you could also use get the pro edition and choose "defer upgrades", which buys you ~6 months before having to install a feature upgrade.
- wtallis 9y ago
  > And that's why you get LTSB That's why you wish you could get LTSB, but you can't unless you're a large corporation. For most users, it's not a solution, it's a tease.
  - EvanAnderson 9y ago
    You can get LTSB on an Open Business license. That's a minimum 5 license purchase to open the agreement. I'm not arguing that Windows 10 LTSB is easy to get or economical, but I've put it into a couple pretty small companies. It's definitely not geared toward home users, but it's not just "large corporations" either.
  - sqldba 9y ago
    I’ve said it before - large org - they hate LTSB because (at least the first release) was so crippled it was near unusable.
    - wtallis 9y ago
      In what respects do you find the LSTB version to be crippled? Most people seem to view it as the version that introduces the fewest unwanted features. What's missing that enterprises (or power users) actually want?
      - pilif 9y ago
        A built in web browser that’s newer than IE11?
- EvanAnderson 9y ago
  Windows 10 LTSB, at least at the pricing level the companies I work with get, is >$300 / seat. That's a steep price to get the basic level of control that came with OEM Windows 7 Professional.

gruez 9y ago

>And on top of that you have the telemetry, endless horror stories of forced restarts for updates, updates resetting settings and/or degrading performance (which took 5 months to resolve in the case of the Creators Update: https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-... https://betanews.com/2017/09/11/windows-10-game-performance-...)...7 works like clockwork, with no bullshit. And that's why you get LTSB, which have no "feature updates", only security updates for 10 years. Although one disadvantage is that the release schedule is sporadic (there was one in 2015, 2016, and the next one is in 2019). I guess you could also use get the pro edition and choose "defer upgrades", which buys you ~6 months before having to install a feature upgrade.

wtallis 9y ago
> And that's why you get LTSB That's why you wish you could get LTSB, but you can't unless you're a large corporation. For most users, it's not a solution, it's a tease.
- EvanAnderson 9y ago
  You can get LTSB on an Open Business license. That's a minimum 5 license purchase to open the agreement. I'm not arguing that Windows 10 LTSB is easy to get or economical, but I've put it into a couple pretty small companies. It's definitely not geared toward home users, but it's not just "large corporations" either.
- sqldba 9y ago
  I’ve said it before - large org - they hate LTSB because (at least the first release) was so crippled it was near unusable.
  - wtallis 9y ago
    In what respects do you find the LSTB version to be crippled? Most people seem to view it as the version that introduces the fewest unwanted features. What's missing that enterprises (or power users) actually want?
    - pilif 9y ago
      A built in web browser that’s newer than IE11?
EvanAnderson 9y ago
Windows 10 LTSB, at least at the pricing level the companies I work with get, is >$300 / seat. That's a steep price to get the basic level of control that came with OEM Windows 7 Professional.