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Excuse a quick aside -- do you know of any good examples of real non-enterprisey apps using JavaFX? Java desktop apps seem almost universally awful, but it doe

Excuse a quick aside -- do you know of any good examples of real non-enterprisey apps using JavaFX? Java desktop apps seem almost universally awful, but it doesn't seem like it has to be that way. I'd love to see some counter examples (IntelliJ's IDEs are honourable exceptions, but they're a bit of a special case).

jcpst 9y ago
Bitwig, an excellent commercial cross-platform DAW, has a UI that is written with Java.
- crispinb 9y ago
  Thanks, looks interesting. Scriptable in javascript too. I always note with irony that professionals expect to pay decent money (Bitwig is $400) for software relevant to their trade; the one exception being software pros.
  - erikbye 9y ago
    Visual Studio Enterprise is $2999/year, Pro is $539. Might as well add anywhere from $400 to $1500 for the IncrediBuild license.
    - crispinb 9y ago
      It's really the expectations I was commenting on more than the pricing. I have heard devs on 100k plus whinge about $80 for a professional programmers editor, and rule out IntelliJ IDEs from their consideration because they're not 'free'.
      - megaman22 9y ago
        When most "expensive" tools are put in terms of Starbucks lattes, they don't look bad. There's still the actual enterprise-targetted tier, but even up to the full Jetbrains Toolbox subscription, you're looking at what amounts to around a coffee a week.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      That is peanuts compared with what other professionals have to pay for quality tools, specially if they require some kind of regular certifications.
  - mattgreenrocks 9y ago
    Programmers have a deep Stockholm Syndrome for infinitely customizable software. They’ll disparage IDEa while installing enough plugins to turn vim into an incredibly poor one. Also, there’s the typical Real Programmer BS that asserts dev tools peaked in the 70s.
brabel 9y ago
The old LoadUI (load testing tool) was written in JavaFX, you can still see the old screenshots in the documentation: https://www.loadui.org/working-with-loadui/projects.html https://www.loadui.org/working-with-loadui/projects.html Also, there's LoadFX (a logging viewer) which was part of the rage post against Electron last week: https://github.com/renatoathaydes/LogFX https://github.com/renatoathaydes/LogFX And Gluon keeps a list of sample apps: http://gluonhq.com/developers/samples/ http://gluonhq.com/developers/samples/
- crispinb 9y ago
  Cheers. I might have a go at some JavaFX stuff for fun sometime (or more likely TornadoFX with kotlin).

jcpst 9y ago

Bitwig, an excellent commercial cross-platform DAW, has a UI that is written with Java.

crispinb 9y ago
Thanks, looks interesting. Scriptable in javascript too. I always note with irony that professionals expect to pay decent money (Bitwig is $400) for software relevant to their trade; the one exception being software pros.
- erikbye 9y ago
  Visual Studio Enterprise is $2999/year, Pro is $539. Might as well add anywhere from $400 to $1500 for the IncrediBuild license.
  - crispinb 9y ago
    It's really the expectations I was commenting on more than the pricing. I have heard devs on 100k plus whinge about $80 for a professional programmers editor, and rule out IntelliJ IDEs from their consideration because they're not 'free'.
    - megaman22 9y ago
      When most "expensive" tools are put in terms of Starbucks lattes, they don't look bad. There's still the actual enterprise-targetted tier, but even up to the full Jetbrains Toolbox subscription, you're looking at what amounts to around a coffee a week.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    That is peanuts compared with what other professionals have to pay for quality tools, specially if they require some kind of regular certifications.
- mattgreenrocks 9y ago
  Programmers have a deep Stockholm Syndrome for infinitely customizable software. They’ll disparage IDEa while installing enough plugins to turn vim into an incredibly poor one. Also, there’s the typical Real Programmer BS that asserts dev tools peaked in the 70s.

brabel 9y ago

The old LoadUI (load testing tool) was written in JavaFX, you can still see the old screenshots in the documentation: https://www.loadui.org/working-with-loadui/projects.html https://www.loadui.org/working-with-loadui/projects.html Also, there's LoadFX (a logging viewer) which was part of the rage post against Electron last week: https://github.com/renatoathaydes/LogFX https://github.com/renatoathaydes/LogFX And Gluon keeps a list of sample apps: http://gluonhq.com/developers/samples/ http://gluonhq.com/developers/samples/

crispinb 9y ago
Cheers. I might have a go at some JavaFX stuff for fun sometime (or more likely TornadoFX with kotlin).