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We don’t want to know who you are. We obsess over not knowing who you are. None of us want to know who you are. I know this is of little assurance, but all the

We don’t want to know who you are. We obsess over not knowing who you are. None of us want to know who you are. I know this is of little assurance, but all the same.

kuschku 9y ago
Have fun dealing with ALL the 16 Landesdatenschutzbeauftragten taking a very close look at you. Considering that all this tracking has to be opt-in under German law (I talked with the Landesdatenschutzbeauftragte of my state about your "experiment" here already, and they confirmed it), I’d say you can expect quite some trouble with the way you’re running this shit.
- embik 9y ago
  Please follow up with this, if Mozilla does not understand anything short of the law this might be the only way to make them believe they are actually doing privacy a disservice.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    I will, I’ll continue discussing this on monday with them. And, in contrast to Mozilla, the Landesdatenschutzbeauftragte actually uses PGP email.
- Feniks 9y ago
  True. Americans tend to forget the EU has very different privacy and consumer protection laws. Either out of ignorance or arrogance.
- 482794793792894 9y ago
  Collecting personally identifying information has to be opt-in. They don't collect personally identifying information.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    That is for the Datenschutzbeauftragte and the courts to decide, if your IP and your entire browsing history combined is personally identifying or not. But even if it is not, hopefully the resulting media presence is enough to either kill Mozilla, or to ensure everyone at Mozilla that considers this a good idea is fired.
    - 482794793792894 9y ago
      They don't either collect the IP. They receive it, simply because a network communication has to take place, but they don't store it. And while they do collect your browsing history in fuzzied form, it's intermixed with other people's browsing history, therefore cannot either be used to identify you. And yes, at the end of the day, it's up to the Datenschutzbeauftragte and the courts to decide, but I really do think that you delude yourself, if you believe this will go anywhere. They'd have locked up the entirety of Google and Microsoft multiple times already.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        > They'd have locked up the entirety of Google and Microsoft multiple times already. They have sued Google and Microsoft into the ground multiple times already. There’s a reason half of Google Photos and Facebook’s features aren’t available in Germany (including no face recognition). Thilo Weichert, previous Landesdatenschutzbeauftragter of SH was constantly in the media due to constantly suing (and winning) against Google, Facebook and co.
  - shevy 9y ago
    Very unlikely - I am sure you can be identified too. Either way it is ethically questionable. Another example of how evil mozilla has become.
- shevy 9y ago
  This is not bad - Mozilla employees can then be put in prison. It's also one way to do away with mozilla.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    > It's also one way to do away with mozilla. This is why I previously continued using Firefox and supporting Mozilla even while they put Google Analytics in their browsers’ addon menu. But after this, I just can’t. A world without mozilla is now better than one with.
rambojazz 9y ago
These are just promises and don't mean anything. If you want to be trusted, you need to offer proofs. I will never use your products, and I'll probably stop using Firefox too because I'm tired of all the shit they are pouring in.
- deleted 9y ago
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- 482794793792894 9y ago
  The proofs are in the blog post. The code is linked and the statements in the blog post are official statements from Mozilla, therefore if it was factually inaccurate, they could be sued over misleading customers.
  - rambojazz 9y ago
    I didn't mean proof of Mozilla involvement with Cliqz. I meant proof that their system will not screw me.

We don’t want to know who you are. We obsess over not knowing who you are. None of us want to know who you are. I know this is of little assurance, but all the same.

kuschku 9y ago

Have fun dealing with ALL the 16 Landesdatenschutzbeauftragten taking a very close look at you. Considering that all this tracking has to be opt-in under German law (I talked with the Landesdatenschutzbeauftragte of my state about your "experiment" here already, and they confirmed it), I’d say you can expect quite some trouble with the way you’re running this shit.

embik 9y ago
Please follow up with this, if Mozilla does not understand anything short of the law this might be the only way to make them believe they are actually doing privacy a disservice.
- kuschku 9y ago
  I will, I’ll continue discussing this on monday with them. And, in contrast to Mozilla, the Landesdatenschutzbeauftragte actually uses PGP email.
Feniks 9y ago
True. Americans tend to forget the EU has very different privacy and consumer protection laws. Either out of ignorance or arrogance.
482794793792894 9y ago
Collecting personally identifying information has to be opt-in. They don't collect personally identifying information.
- kuschku 9y ago
  That is for the Datenschutzbeauftragte and the courts to decide, if your IP and your entire browsing history combined is personally identifying or not. But even if it is not, hopefully the resulting media presence is enough to either kill Mozilla, or to ensure everyone at Mozilla that considers this a good idea is fired.
  - 482794793792894 9y ago
    They don't either collect the IP. They receive it, simply because a network communication has to take place, but they don't store it. And while they do collect your browsing history in fuzzied form, it's intermixed with other people's browsing history, therefore cannot either be used to identify you. And yes, at the end of the day, it's up to the Datenschutzbeauftragte and the courts to decide, but I really do think that you delude yourself, if you believe this will go anywhere. They'd have locked up the entirety of Google and Microsoft multiple times already.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      > They'd have locked up the entirety of Google and Microsoft multiple times already. They have sued Google and Microsoft into the ground multiple times already. There’s a reason half of Google Photos and Facebook’s features aren’t available in Germany (including no face recognition). Thilo Weichert, previous Landesdatenschutzbeauftragter of SH was constantly in the media due to constantly suing (and winning) against Google, Facebook and co.
- shevy 9y ago
  Very unlikely - I am sure you can be identified too. Either way it is ethically questionable. Another example of how evil mozilla has become.
shevy 9y ago
This is not bad - Mozilla employees can then be put in prison. It's also one way to do away with mozilla.
- kuschku 9y ago
  > It's also one way to do away with mozilla. This is why I previously continued using Firefox and supporting Mozilla even while they put Google Analytics in their browsers’ addon menu. But after this, I just can’t. A world without mozilla is now better than one with.

rambojazz 9y ago

These are just promises and don't mean anything. If you want to be trusted, you need to offer proofs. I will never use your products, and I'll probably stop using Firefox too because I'm tired of all the shit they are pouring in.

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482794793792894 9y ago
The proofs are in the blog post. The code is linked and the statements in the blog post are official statements from Mozilla, therefore if it was factually inaccurate, they could be sued over misleading customers.
- rambojazz 9y ago
  I didn't mean proof of Mozilla involvement with Cliqz. I meant proof that their system will not screw me.