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> Blue Blood Democrats pushed Bernie off the national stage attempting to elect Hillary Clinton What the DNC did in last year's primary was shameful, but... >

> Blue Blood Democrats pushed Bernie off the national stage attempting to elect Hillary Clinton What the DNC did in last year's primary was shameful, but... > leaving the disadvantaged to only vote for the candidate who offered to champion their cause (Donald Trump) Laughs...he never championed their cause. He told them all their problems were because of minorities and that he'd return the country to a time of bigotry and racism where things would magically be better because they were white. He's since taken the office of The President and used it to try to screw over poor whites in every way imaginable and tried to placate them by making it even worse for minorities. It's hard to blame under-educated people for falling for Fox News propaganda, but you still can't deny their complicity in enabling their own situation. What they did in the general election to defeat Hilary they could have done in the Primary to support Bernie. They didn't.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
> Laughs...he never championed their cause. This stance is part of the problem. https://www.google.com/search?q=bring+jobs+back+trump+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=bring+jobs+back+trump+youtub... https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+coal+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+coal+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+carrier+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+carrier+jobs+youtube He promised the disadvantaged he'd get their jobs back from Mexico and China, he promised to bring coal jobs back. Whether he did those things or not doesn't matter. That's what he promised. > It's hard to blame under-educated people for falling for Fox News propaganda, but you still can't deny their complicity in enabling their own situation. What they did in the general election to defeat Hilary they could have done in the Primary to support Bernie. They didn't. I don't blame undereducated people. I blame people who care more about illegal immigrants than the disenfranchised citizens suffering in poverty in the US. I blame urban liberals who have no comprehension of the plight the poor in the US are suffering through. I blame upper management of the Democratic Party, who rigged the nomination (along with super delegates) against Bernie Sanders, and I wish nothing but terrible, terrible things on those people. EDIT: Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be found after her crushing defeat, and Bernie Sanders is still out there every day fighting for universal healthcare and other pro-citizen policies (alongside Elizabeth Warren). We suffered a terrible loss because of Clinton's vanity and pride.
- curun1r 9y ago
  > He promised the disadvantaged he'd get their jobs back from Mexico and China All candidates promised jobs. Trump was promising jobs that either no longer really exist due to automation or are soon to be automated out of existence. Clinton and Sanders promised more forward-looking jobs without the racist overtones. It was obvious to anyone not watching Fox News which plan would be better for poor people in this country. When I said he never championed their cause, I meant he never championed the cause of the poor over the rich. He championed the cause of the white over the minority and immigrant. Sanders and Clinton were put forth visions to help the poor that were far more compelling. The problem is that those visions included black people and immigrants, so large swaths of the country dismissed them. > I blame people who care more about illegal immigrants than the disenfranchised citizens suffering in poverty in the US Illegal immigrants are human beings too and deserve every bit the consideration that citizens do. The same logic that you use to dismiss illegal immigrants can be used to dismiss poor people in fly-over states...they were born in poverty across some arbitrarily-drawn line and what moral obligation do we have to care for them? Well, if you believe that you have a moral obligation to care for one group, you have a moral obligation to care for the other as well. Arbitrary lines drawn on a map, whether delineating states or countries, don't change that. > I blame urban liberals who have no comprehension of the plight the poor in the US are suffering through You mean those same liberals that mostly voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general? Both choices were demonstrably in the interest of the poor people described in this piece. Those liberals you're blaming may not have experienced that sort of poverty (however some of us did...my mom was on welfare until I was 8 years old), but they absolutely have the interests of the poor in mind when they vote. > I blame upper management of the Democratic Party No arguments there...the DNC elites absolutely screwed over the country believing that no one could lose to Trump and that the demographics of this country had permanently shifted. They got their comeuppance but we're all suffering the consequences. > Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be found after her crushing defeat She did write a book about the election, but I think the election really pointed out just how damaging and counterproductive she and her crony wing of the Democratic party have been to progressive causes. That she's now out of the spotlight speaks more to being marginalized by those with actual elected office (like Sanders and Warren...none of them are asking her for her help) than it does to her lack of interest in trying to fix things. Too much of the country, including Democrats, hates her right now. I think there's almost universal agreement that we'd all like her to step away from public life and leave the future of this country to a new generation of politicians.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

> Laughs...he never championed their cause. This stance is part of the problem. https://www.google.com/search?q=bring+jobs+back+trump+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=bring+jobs+back+trump+youtub... https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+coal+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+coal+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+carrier+jobs+youtube https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+carrier+jobs+youtube He promised the disadvantaged he'd get their jobs back from Mexico and China, he promised to bring coal jobs back. Whether he did those things or not doesn't matter. That's what he promised. > It's hard to blame under-educated people for falling for Fox News propaganda, but you still can't deny their complicity in enabling their own situation. What they did in the general election to defeat Hilary they could have done in the Primary to support Bernie. They didn't. I don't blame undereducated people. I blame people who care more about illegal immigrants than the disenfranchised citizens suffering in poverty in the US. I blame urban liberals who have no comprehension of the plight the poor in the US are suffering through. I blame upper management of the Democratic Party, who rigged the nomination (along with super delegates) against Bernie Sanders, and I wish nothing but terrible, terrible things on those people. EDIT: Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be found after her crushing defeat, and Bernie Sanders is still out there every day fighting for universal healthcare and other pro-citizen policies (alongside Elizabeth Warren). We suffered a terrible loss because of Clinton's vanity and pride.

curun1r 9y ago
> He promised the disadvantaged he'd get their jobs back from Mexico and China All candidates promised jobs. Trump was promising jobs that either no longer really exist due to automation or are soon to be automated out of existence. Clinton and Sanders promised more forward-looking jobs without the racist overtones. It was obvious to anyone not watching Fox News which plan would be better for poor people in this country. When I said he never championed their cause, I meant he never championed the cause of the poor over the rich. He championed the cause of the white over the minority and immigrant. Sanders and Clinton were put forth visions to help the poor that were far more compelling. The problem is that those visions included black people and immigrants, so large swaths of the country dismissed them. > I blame people who care more about illegal immigrants than the disenfranchised citizens suffering in poverty in the US Illegal immigrants are human beings too and deserve every bit the consideration that citizens do. The same logic that you use to dismiss illegal immigrants can be used to dismiss poor people in fly-over states...they were born in poverty across some arbitrarily-drawn line and what moral obligation do we have to care for them? Well, if you believe that you have a moral obligation to care for one group, you have a moral obligation to care for the other as well. Arbitrary lines drawn on a map, whether delineating states or countries, don't change that. > I blame urban liberals who have no comprehension of the plight the poor in the US are suffering through You mean those same liberals that mostly voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general? Both choices were demonstrably in the interest of the poor people described in this piece. Those liberals you're blaming may not have experienced that sort of poverty (however some of us did...my mom was on welfare until I was 8 years old), but they absolutely have the interests of the poor in mind when they vote. > I blame upper management of the Democratic Party No arguments there...the DNC elites absolutely screwed over the country believing that no one could lose to Trump and that the demographics of this country had permanently shifted. They got their comeuppance but we're all suffering the consequences. > Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be found after her crushing defeat She did write a book about the election, but I think the election really pointed out just how damaging and counterproductive she and her crony wing of the Democratic party have been to progressive causes. That she's now out of the spotlight speaks more to being marginalized by those with actual elected office (like Sanders and Warren...none of them are asking her for her help) than it does to her lack of interest in trying to fix things. Too much of the country, including Democrats, hates her right now. I think there's almost universal agreement that we'd all like her to step away from public life and leave the future of this country to a new generation of politicians.