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That's quite a common issue when you're trying to emphasize a specific point. Uncle Bob's trying to make software developers care about their craft. He seems di

That's quite a common issue when you're trying to emphasize a specific point. Uncle Bob's trying to make software developers care about their craft. He seems dismissive of any other techniques, but I think that's because he really wants people who read his posts and watch his videos to understand that specific point. If you already understand that point, then you're not the audience he's trying to talk to, and you're free to enhance your craft with any tools you see fit, because you've got the foundations right. Unless you understand that he's trying to teach people something that's really difficult to fully understand and implement on a daily basis, I don't think you'll be able to understand why he's so dismissive about anything else.

elihu 9y ago
From "The Dark Path": > Now, ask yourself why these defects happen too often. If your answer is that our languages don’t prevent them, then I strongly suggest that you quit your job and never think about being a programmer again; because defects are never the fault of our languages. Defects are the fault of programmers. It is programmers who create defects – not languages. http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/01/11/TheDarkPath.html http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/01/11/TheDarkPath.... I think that software defects happen too often because the most widely used programming languages don't do enough to prevent them. That makes me the audience of this statement. And he says that I should abandon programming. I think that's rather presumptuous of him. (I also think that on average programmers aren't careful enough and don't spend enough time making sure their stuff doesn't break, but I see that as primarily an economic problem. Most software companies are rewarded more for delivering features than closing the security holes. We can attack that problem either by finding some way to convince software vendors to pay for the tremendously expensive effort of testing software, or we can reduce the effort required by using stronger type systems and formal methods. The latter seems more realistic and attainable.)
tom_mellior 9y ago
I don't agree with your interpretation, and neither does the user "unclebobmartin" here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15420618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15420618 This is not about emphasizing a point about caring for your craft. It's about open hostility to certain things that are not his particular preferred thing.

elihu 9y ago

From "The Dark Path": > Now, ask yourself why these defects happen too often. If your answer is that our languages don’t prevent them, then I strongly suggest that you quit your job and never think about being a programmer again; because defects are never the fault of our languages. Defects are the fault of programmers. It is programmers who create defects – not languages. http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/01/11/TheDarkPath.html http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2017/01/11/TheDarkPath.... I think that software defects happen too often because the most widely used programming languages don't do enough to prevent them. That makes me the audience of this statement. And he says that I should abandon programming. I think that's rather presumptuous of him. (I also think that on average programmers aren't careful enough and don't spend enough time making sure their stuff doesn't break, but I see that as primarily an economic problem. Most software companies are rewarded more for delivering features than closing the security holes. We can attack that problem either by finding some way to convince software vendors to pay for the tremendously expensive effort of testing software, or we can reduce the effort required by using stronger type systems and formal methods. The latter seems more realistic and attainable.)

tom_mellior 9y ago

I don't agree with your interpretation, and neither does the user "unclebobmartin" here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15420618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15420618 This is not about emphasizing a point about caring for your craft. It's about open hostility to certain things that are not his particular preferred thing.