> If anything, Hillel's article pushes a bit far (understandably) in the other direction, hinting that a failure of discipline is so inevitable as to be a waste

> If anything, Hillel's article pushes a bit far (understandably) in the other direction, hinting that a failure of discipline is so inevitable as to be a waste of time to fight against. I think you're mischaracterizing Hillel and putting words into his mouth. Hillel isn't saying discipline is a waste of time to fight against. He's arguing that focusing exclusively on discipline at the expense of everything else is foolish and narrow minded.