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Looks like Black Mirror had access to this presentation. When will people realize that it is not just the number of neurons but the structure of brain that mak

by sifar 9y ago

Looks like Black Mirror had access to this presentation. When will people realize that it is not just the number of neurons but the structure of brain that makes it what it is. I have often wondered what gives these people (the visionaries with the means, think Musk) the arrogance to impose their vision on humanity. It is one thing to work on something you believe and try to bring it in reality, it is quite another to believe one can lead the world to follow some particular path. They may be working with an incredible tunnel vision or may be I am unable to comprehend the scale at which they operate.

davedx 9y ago
Arrogance, hubris... and history is full of dangerous visionaries who pushed, pulled or dragged societies, willingly or kicking and screaming, to unknown destinations in the physical or mental worlds. To deny this trait is to deny what it is to be human.
FullMtlAlcoholc 9y ago
>I have often wondered what gives these people (the visionaries with the means, think Musk) the arrogance to impose their vision on humanity. Nothing gives anyone the inherent right to impose their will on others. Governments only have authority because they have usurped a monopoly on violence. "Power belongs to the people that take it. Nothing to do with their hard work, strong ambitions, or rightful qualifications, no. The actual will to take is often the only thing that’s necessary." -Tyrell Wellick, Mr. Robot
- sifar 9y ago
  Sadly yes, it is just because they want to and can. I have come to this realization in recent times. But then again this is true for most of the things in life (if you want it and are able, you do it), so it doesn't provide a detailed insight into where does this particular will come from. I can understand for people to have it when the world was small, but the more knowledge man acquired and sought to control things, the more it exposed the things still to know.So I think there is some willful ignorance involved which discounts this uncertainty or fog of war and generates the will to influence humanity centuries hence.
karmapolic 9y ago
I Strongly think majority of the people intentionally or without intent like to follow visionaries and hence the vision and then the buy in.
- k__ 9y ago
  The problem is the education. Many people think their only option is to slave away 9-5 in an employment and let other people create the visions, while basically everybody could be a bit more like Musk.
adrianN 9y ago
What's wrong with trying to steer humanity on the path that you think is right?
- sifar 9y ago
  What happens when that path is in conflict with someone else's idea of the right path ? What happens to that someone if he doesn't have the ability to counter your force and is at your whim ? Also to suppose that one's sphere of influence extends to all of humanity for centuries to come, implies one believes himself to be something more than the rest of humanity.
  - rjzzleep 9y ago
    To be honest, that's very much what the UN charter says: > 5 All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action. > 6 The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security. In other words, whether you like it or not, you have to adhere to our rules and if you do not, we're free to make any member force you to.
- Frqy3 9y ago
  I think the right path for humanity is to remove the tendency for violence from the population pool. To this end, I have been developing in my secret laboratory a retrovirus that can achieve this. This is the true path to world peace, nay, to serenity. What could go wrong?
  - baxtr 9y ago
    A foreign species is waiting exactly for this to happen (cloaking ship behind the moon)... they will invade and destroy us. All because you imposed your path on us ;-)
- TausAmmer 9y ago
canoebuilder 9y ago
>They may be working with an incredible tunnel vision underrated...
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coupdetaco 9y ago
There is room for leadership in a democracy. "If not us, then who?" The problems in the country have more to do with a lack of leadership than too many visionaries with the means pushing various agendas. If the world is moving too much in one direction, there should be more forces pushing elsewhere rather than less of one.

by sifar 9y ago

davedx 9y ago

Arrogance, hubris... and history is full of dangerous visionaries who pushed, pulled or dragged societies, willingly or kicking and screaming, to unknown destinations in the physical or mental worlds. To deny this trait is to deny what it is to be human.

FullMtlAlcoholc 9y ago

>I have often wondered what gives these people (the visionaries with the means, think Musk) the arrogance to impose their vision on humanity. Nothing gives anyone the inherent right to impose their will on others. Governments only have authority because they have usurped a monopoly on violence. "Power belongs to the people that take it. Nothing to do with their hard work, strong ambitions, or rightful qualifications, no. The actual will to take is often the only thing that’s necessary." -Tyrell Wellick, Mr. Robot

sifar 9y ago
Sadly yes, it is just because they want to and can. I have come to this realization in recent times. But then again this is true for most of the things in life (if you want it and are able, you do it), so it doesn't provide a detailed insight into where does this particular will come from. I can understand for people to have it when the world was small, but the more knowledge man acquired and sought to control things, the more it exposed the things still to know.So I think there is some willful ignorance involved which discounts this uncertainty or fog of war and generates the will to influence humanity centuries hence.

karmapolic 9y ago

I Strongly think majority of the people intentionally or without intent like to follow visionaries and hence the vision and then the buy in.

k__ 9y ago
The problem is the education. Many people think their only option is to slave away 9-5 in an employment and let other people create the visions, while basically everybody could be a bit more like Musk.

adrianN 9y ago

What's wrong with trying to steer humanity on the path that you think is right?

sifar 9y ago
What happens when that path is in conflict with someone else's idea of the right path ? What happens to that someone if he doesn't have the ability to counter your force and is at your whim ? Also to suppose that one's sphere of influence extends to all of humanity for centuries to come, implies one believes himself to be something more than the rest of humanity.
- rjzzleep 9y ago
  To be honest, that's very much what the UN charter says: > 5 All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action. > 6 The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security. In other words, whether you like it or not, you have to adhere to our rules and if you do not, we're free to make any member force you to.
Frqy3 9y ago
I think the right path for humanity is to remove the tendency for violence from the population pool. To this end, I have been developing in my secret laboratory a retrovirus that can achieve this. This is the true path to world peace, nay, to serenity. What could go wrong?
- baxtr 9y ago
  A foreign species is waiting exactly for this to happen (cloaking ship behind the moon)... they will invade and destroy us. All because you imposed your path on us ;-)
TausAmmer 9y ago

canoebuilder 9y ago

>They may be working with an incredible tunnel vision underrated...

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coupdetaco 9y ago

There is room for leadership in a democracy. "If not us, then who?" The problems in the country have more to do with a lack of leadership than too many visionaries with the means pushing various agendas. If the world is moving too much in one direction, there should be more forces pushing elsewhere rather than less of one.