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I hate this. I have a ton of wifi hotspots setup in the city, some of them require authentication, some of them don't. I leave work, mount my phone on my bike,

by dvcrn 9y ago

I hate this. I have a ton of wifi hotspots setup in the city, some of them require authentication, some of them don't. I leave work, mount my phone on my bike, "turn off" WiFi and cycle before realizing that nothing (like maps) is updating because I connected to a wifi point that needs authentication, or a point that is now far away because I already cycled by. While cycling, I reach to my phone and switch it "off" again just to be again connected to some other access point at the next crossing. I really hope for a setting in the next version so that off means off again.

r00fus 9y ago
Can't you just turn off wifi's promiscuous mode? I forget all wifi points except for any place I regularly go. LTE is good enough for cafes and the like.
- rkangel 9y ago
  > I have a ton of wifi hotspots setup in the city Presumably they are cycling past places they visit.
new299 9y ago
Right, I feel like this is a bigger issue than the privacy angle too. For privacy/security, I feel like it's only really going to help to turn off all radios (airplane mode).
- gervase 9y ago
  Just so you know, this feature change also affects airplane mode; that is, when you turn on airplane mode, only the cellular modem turns off. The WiFi and Bluetooth radios remain on if they're currently connected to something, only turning off completely if not connected.
  - new299 9y ago
    ok, that seems somewhat confusing having googled it [1]. But I guess at least the UI shows that Wifi and Bluetooth are on. I assume that if after activating airplane mode you disconnect bluetooth and wifi from the control center, it really does turn all radios off... [1] http://www.redmondpie.com/new-in-ios-11-airplane-mode-no-longer-turns-off-wifi-or-bluetooth-automatically/ http://www.redmondpie.com/new-in-ios-11-airplane-mode-no-lon...
clouddrover 9y ago
The workaround I use is to add Settings to the taskbar. If you force-press Settings it pops up a menu which allows you to get to the WiFi section directly. Turning off WiFi in Settings turns it off (you'll see the WiFi icon has a line through it in Control Centre).
- pdimitar 9y ago
  Already doing this, it's basically half a second more work and I can't for the life of me understand why the people make so much drama about the new state of affairs.
jwong_ 9y ago
If you want to be off wifi why not just fully turn it off? It seems like you want it to be off for a long time. Going into settings to turn off the radio doesn't seem to be hugely laborious if you really do want it off for the entire ride.
- cassowary 9y ago
  That's a really silly reply. There's nothing in the UI that tells me turning Wifi off in the control centre has a different meaning today than it had last week. It's not at all clear that turning it off in the Settings app will have a different result. Literally. You're obliging us to read someone's mind. Moreover, going to the Settings app is laborious. There's a lot of stuff there. When you open it, you don't always "start from the start", so that pulling it up requires working out where it is in the app you are in order to navigate appropriately. Instead of focusing on the task of disabling wifi and going somewhere, you have to focus on the task of navigating an app. And also if you have a phone that wasn't bought yesterday, it will probably close some other app you were running because it's run out of RAM. All so that some weird usecase I can't understand is available. This fellow is the only person who's described a usecase for disconnecting from wifi networks while leaving wifi on, insofar as leaving the radio on won't have upsetting results for him. But the feature doesn't work for him. For me, sometimes I need my battery to last all day not just till dinner. I want the radio off. I can't think of a non-technical/non-exceptional use that is benefited by this feature. (NB. I quite like the idea that my wifi will spontaneously turn back on again when the battery is charged adequately, or at 5am or some such. It would've saved my data on numerous occasions. But that's a different feature that hasn't been implemented.)
- fehrm 9y ago
  That is what he did. It is a toggle. It is not a feature to force everyone to go to settings and click a kit more times. It is silly to claim that this is fine.
- Ensorceled 9y ago
  The entire point is they thought they did turn it off. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

by dvcrn 9y ago

r00fus 9y ago

Can't you just turn off wifi's promiscuous mode? I forget all wifi points except for any place I regularly go. LTE is good enough for cafes and the like.

rkangel 9y ago
> I have a ton of wifi hotspots setup in the city Presumably they are cycling past places they visit.

new299 9y ago

Right, I feel like this is a bigger issue than the privacy angle too. For privacy/security, I feel like it's only really going to help to turn off all radios (airplane mode).

gervase 9y ago
Just so you know, this feature change also affects airplane mode; that is, when you turn on airplane mode, only the cellular modem turns off. The WiFi and Bluetooth radios remain on if they're currently connected to something, only turning off completely if not connected.
- new299 9y ago
  ok, that seems somewhat confusing having googled it [1]. But I guess at least the UI shows that Wifi and Bluetooth are on. I assume that if after activating airplane mode you disconnect bluetooth and wifi from the control center, it really does turn all radios off... [1] http://www.redmondpie.com/new-in-ios-11-airplane-mode-no-longer-turns-off-wifi-or-bluetooth-automatically/ http://www.redmondpie.com/new-in-ios-11-airplane-mode-no-lon...

clouddrover 9y ago

The workaround I use is to add Settings to the taskbar. If you force-press Settings it pops up a menu which allows you to get to the WiFi section directly. Turning off WiFi in Settings turns it off (you'll see the WiFi icon has a line through it in Control Centre).

pdimitar 9y ago
Already doing this, it's basically half a second more work and I can't for the life of me understand why the people make so much drama about the new state of affairs.

jwong_ 9y ago

If you want to be off wifi why not just fully turn it off? It seems like you want it to be off for a long time. Going into settings to turn off the radio doesn't seem to be hugely laborious if you really do want it off for the entire ride.

cassowary 9y ago
That's a really silly reply. There's nothing in the UI that tells me turning Wifi off in the control centre has a different meaning today than it had last week. It's not at all clear that turning it off in the Settings app will have a different result. Literally. You're obliging us to read someone's mind. Moreover, going to the Settings app is laborious. There's a lot of stuff there. When you open it, you don't always "start from the start", so that pulling it up requires working out where it is in the app you are in order to navigate appropriately. Instead of focusing on the task of disabling wifi and going somewhere, you have to focus on the task of navigating an app. And also if you have a phone that wasn't bought yesterday, it will probably close some other app you were running because it's run out of RAM. All so that some weird usecase I can't understand is available. This fellow is the only person who's described a usecase for disconnecting from wifi networks while leaving wifi on, insofar as leaving the radio on won't have upsetting results for him. But the feature doesn't work for him. For me, sometimes I need my battery to last all day not just till dinner. I want the radio off. I can't think of a non-technical/non-exceptional use that is benefited by this feature. (NB. I quite like the idea that my wifi will spontaneously turn back on again when the battery is charged adequately, or at 5am or some such. It would've saved my data on numerous occasions. But that's a different feature that hasn't been implemented.)
fehrm 9y ago
That is what he did. It is a toggle. It is not a feature to force everyone to go to settings and click a kit more times. It is silly to claim that this is fine.
Ensorceled 9y ago
The entire point is they thought they did turn it off. Are you being deliberately obtuse?