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The Conservative Party in the UK introduced introduced gay marriage and support the NHS, they're definitely not "far right".

SideburnsOfDoom 9y ago
Gay marriage: David Cameron introduced that, but more Conservative MPs voted against it than voted for it. It passed because of 90% of the Labour MPs supporting it here are the numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013#First_Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Ac... And if I'm specifically talking about Theresa May's tenure, then that's after David Cameron's leadership. "support the NHS" is a much vaguer statement, but I don't think that's entirely true either, see e.g. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=doctors+fight+jeremy+hunt https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=doctors+fight+jeremy+hunt https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nhs+privatisation+virgin+care https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nhs+privatisation+virgin+c... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winter+hospital+crisis https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winter+hospital+crisis My opinion is that the Conservative party currently does not "support" the NHS, but would not dare move openly against it, that would cost far to many votes. Rather they follow, the model of "defund, induce crisis, introduce a privatised solution" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/government-deliberately-creating-health-crisis-privatise-nhs/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/government-delibe... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-deficit-crisis-one-chart-that-shows-how-the-nhs-is-headed-for-financial-ruin-a6687926.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-deficit-cr... https://nhsreality.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/thats-the-standard-technique-of-privatization-defund-make-sure-things-dont-work-people-get-angry-you-hand-it-over-to-private-capital/ https://nhsreality.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/thats-the-standa...
- vilmosi 9y ago
  >>> Gay marriage: David Cameron introduced that, but more Conservative MPs voted against it than voted for it. It passed because of 90% of the Labour MPs supporting it And how does that contradict anything I said? Did Labour, with all that aparent gay marriage support, actually do it? No, they didn't. >>> Conservative party currently does not "support" the NHS, but would not dare move openly against it, that would cost far to many votes. That's like complaining companies only do things "for money". Well of course they do what the people want, that's what they're there for. >>> Rather they follow, the model of "defund, induce crisis, introduce a privatised solution" I would believe it if the NHS actually got less funds year over year. But they don't.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 9y ago
    > And how does that contradict anything I said? But has the conservative party moved to the right after Cameron resigned? Cameron formed a coalition with a centrist Party (LibDems), but May courted the voters of one extreme right-wing party (UKIP) quite successfully and formed an alliance with another (DUP). And May's instincts, as pointed out in her actions above, are nowhere near as liberal as Cameron's.
    - vilmosi 9y ago
      >>> But has the conservative party moved to the right after Cameron resigned? Yeah probably, I don't know. But I'm not gonna trivialise what far right means. >>> May courted the voters of one extreme right-wing party (UKIP) quite successfully. By being anti-Brexit? How exactly did she court UKIP voters? Labour gained more seats than the Conservatives lost, it's quite clear where UKIP voters went. You, as well as the polls, assumed UKIP voters are all right wing. You're wrong.

SideburnsOfDoom 9y ago

Gay marriage: David Cameron introduced that, but more Conservative MPs voted against it than voted for it. It passed because of 90% of the Labour MPs supporting it here are the numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Act_2013#First_Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_(Same_Sex_Couples)_Ac... And if I'm specifically talking about Theresa May's tenure, then that's after David Cameron's leadership. "support the NHS" is a much vaguer statement, but I don't think that's entirely true either, see e.g. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=doctors+fight+jeremy+hunt https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=doctors+fight+jeremy+hunt https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nhs+privatisation+virgin+care https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nhs+privatisation+virgin+c... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winter+hospital+crisis https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winter+hospital+crisis My opinion is that the Conservative party currently does not "support" the NHS, but would not dare move openly against it, that would cost far to many votes. Rather they follow, the model of "defund, induce crisis, introduce a privatised solution" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/government-deliberately-creating-health-crisis-privatise-nhs/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/government-delibe... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-deficit-crisis-one-chart-that-shows-how-the-nhs-is-headed-for-financial-ruin-a6687926.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-deficit-cr... https://nhsreality.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/thats-the-standard-technique-of-privatization-defund-make-sure-things-dont-work-people-get-angry-you-hand-it-over-to-private-capital/ https://nhsreality.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/thats-the-standa...

vilmosi 9y ago
>>> Gay marriage: David Cameron introduced that, but more Conservative MPs voted against it than voted for it. It passed because of 90% of the Labour MPs supporting it And how does that contradict anything I said? Did Labour, with all that aparent gay marriage support, actually do it? No, they didn't. >>> Conservative party currently does not "support" the NHS, but would not dare move openly against it, that would cost far to many votes. That's like complaining companies only do things "for money". Well of course they do what the people want, that's what they're there for. >>> Rather they follow, the model of "defund, induce crisis, introduce a privatised solution" I would believe it if the NHS actually got less funds year over year. But they don't.
- SideburnsOfDoom 9y ago
  > And how does that contradict anything I said? But has the conservative party moved to the right after Cameron resigned? Cameron formed a coalition with a centrist Party (LibDems), but May courted the voters of one extreme right-wing party (UKIP) quite successfully and formed an alliance with another (DUP). And May's instincts, as pointed out in her actions above, are nowhere near as liberal as Cameron's.
  - vilmosi 9y ago
    >>> But has the conservative party moved to the right after Cameron resigned? Yeah probably, I don't know. But I'm not gonna trivialise what far right means. >>> May courted the voters of one extreme right-wing party (UKIP) quite successfully. By being anti-Brexit? How exactly did she court UKIP voters? Labour gained more seats than the Conservatives lost, it's quite clear where UKIP voters went. You, as well as the polls, assumed UKIP voters are all right wing. You're wrong.