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>They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. What are you on about? Audio jack is there. >They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mo

by Jerry2 9y ago

>They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. What are you on about? Audio jack is there. >They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging And? Mouse lasts MONTHS on a single charge. It notifies you 12 hours ahead that it needs charging. A 5 min charge can last you an hour. I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all times. This is an issue only to those who've never used it. >and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. Please list it. I'm dying to know more! >It's just not premium stuff anymore. Silly opinion. >I've already switched to Android, and I am not buying another computer from them. We're talking about Macs. What does Android have to do with it? You're mixing up your hate memes. PS: You clearly never even owned a Macbook Pro. You're probably getting your "facts" from bullshit 4chan memes.

bdamm 9y ago
The mouse thing really irks me. The moment the mouse needs charging is the moment is stop working. So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? A product that used to have a wire connected to it and is sitting right next to the computer? How is having a hole in the bottom at better than having a hole on the side?
- firethief 9y ago
  I don't think it's about the hole. Someone decided: - users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless - if left to their own devices, users will tend to leave the mouse plugged in and use it as a wired mouse so they solved that contradiction by taking away the option of missing out on wirelessness.
  - wlesieutre 9y ago
    Can confirm I have a hybrid wired/wireless mouse (Logitech G700s) and I generally just leave it plugged in. Which works fine, so I'm glad Logitech decided not to be assholes about it.
    - wlesieutre 9y ago
      Incidentally if anyone's looking for a mouse, Logitech really handles this perfectly. When it's plugged in to USB they use the cable for power + data so there's a tiny bit less latency and no worries about signal dropping. It switches the data to the wireless dongle automatically if the cable is unplugged. The mouse runs off of a single rechargable AA battery (came with an Eneloop brand NiMH which are well regarded). If your battery dies you can either plug it in to charge or just pull the battery and swap in a fresh one. Since it's a standard battery you can toss the dead one in a normal NiMH charger. A+ mouse, would recommend.
      - taternuts 9y ago
        I second the recommendation, been using a logitech performance MX mouse for probably 4-5 years now. My company gave out the apple mouse and I made them specially order the MX for me. I am a creature of comfort though as I did the same for my keyboard.
        dylan-m 9y ago
        I did the same. I tried to use the Apple mouse for a couple months, I really did, but I felt my wrists turning into frozen fish and decided enough was enough. (This was the previous generation mouse where you needed to replace the AA batteries yourself, like a barbarian. Are the current ones shaped any differently at least?). Brought in my old Das Keyboard while I was at it. World of difference. And I don't feel any less cool, despite there being several physical buttons and a hole on the side of my mouse.
      - maxsilver 9y ago
        That solution is so well designed, you'd almost expect a company like Apple to come up with it. Especially since Apple made and sold their own NiMH batteries and chargers until 2016. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-battery-charger-white/1209916.p?skuId=1209916 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-battery-charger-white/120...
        9y ago
  - jackmott 9y ago
    pfft
  - zeveb 9y ago
    > users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless Where 'better experience' is defined as 'not having a mouse until it charges back up'?
    - firethief 9y ago
      I'm not agreeing with them, I'm just postulating that this is an example of Apple's creed of "our designers know better than our users".
- yathern 9y ago
  If it was on the side, people would keep it plugged in all the time - like one does with a mouse. That's against the creative vision of the team who designed the mouse.
- MertsA 9y ago
  What irks me the most is that they went through all of that trouble to make sure that you can't use the mouse like a wired mouse. You shouldn't ever have to take steps to hinder your customers using their devices just to protect your brand image.
- Florin_Andrei 9y ago
  I wouldn't mind it so much if the low battery alert was actually useful. But it only pops out when there's like 1% battery left in the mouse - basically making sure you will lose power soon. The sheer lack of thinking here boggles the mind. Guys, it's an alert, it's not useful at all if I get it right before the bad thing happens. How would you like it if I switched on my turn signal 1 second before I actually turn my vehicle in front of you?
  - jsz0 9y ago
    The low battery warning appears at 15% charge remaining. Perhaps you disabled the warnings sometime ago and forgot you did it? https://www.macworld.com/article/3024515/macs/how-to-disable-mouse-and-keyboard-low-battery-warnings-you-cant.html https://www.macworld.com/article/3024515/macs/how-to-disable...
    - Florin_Andrei 9y ago
      No, I have most definitely not. And it's absolutely not 15%. That would be fantastic. It's in the low single digits.
- crooked-v 9y ago
  > So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? Because Lightning cables are too flimsy, so doing so has a chance to break the cable at the connector end.
- nsxwolf 9y ago
  I have one on my desk. It's the biggest non-issue ever. Do you ever need to go to the bathroom? Or get up and get a drink of water? Plug it in, and by the time you come back, you have enough charge to last you the rest of the day. Remember to plug it in overnight, and you've got at least a month of charge. It's just a ridiculous complaint that it can't be used while plugged in. It's a wireless mouse - why would you want it to have a wire?
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    I'm not saying it's an issue, I'm saying that it costs between 5-10 times more than other mice. One would expect a little more thought would go into designing it.
gxs 9y ago
HN can be a fickle beast - glad you haven't been downvoted. The hate on the new macbook pro's was especially interesting - they are solid machines and my company had no issues as they started provisioning over the old ones for new employees.
teamhappy 9y ago
> What are you on about? Audio jack is there. They removed the audio jack from their phones and their "pro" laptops barely have any ports left. Some people use those, you know. > I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all times. The OP clearly doesn't. > Please list it. I'm dying to know more! Just a few of the top of my head: mDNSResponder, GPU drivers, WiFi issues, Safari used to crash a lot, goto fail, there was the fun one were the GPU driver was loaded too late so that ... something something color profiles ... your screen had a blue tint the whole fucking time. Lots of good stuff, really. > Silly opinion. I'd love to elaborate on this one but I'm afraid my MBP will overheat when continue typing.
CodeWriter23 9y ago
I presume we’re talking about the Magic Mouuse 2 here. You must not use your mouse very much. I get about 3 weeks on a charge. What baffles me about the MM 2, why didn’t they put a notch at the top so you could plug the Lightning cable in and use it while it is charging?
- artursapek 9y ago
  > why didn’t they put a notch at the top The next one will, to match the new phone
nkkollaw 9y ago
Hey Jerry2. From the tone you're using and the things you're saying it looks like you're lost and are looking for Reddit. I have no interest in taking your comment seriously and reply to your accusation that I am not writing this comment from a MacBook Pro.

by Jerry2 9y ago

bdamm 9y ago

The mouse thing really irks me. The moment the mouse needs charging is the moment is stop working. So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? A product that used to have a wire connected to it and is sitting right next to the computer? How is having a hole in the bottom at better than having a hole on the side?

firethief 9y ago
I don't think it's about the hole. Someone decided: - users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless - if left to their own devices, users will tend to leave the mouse plugged in and use it as a wired mouse so they solved that contradiction by taking away the option of missing out on wirelessness.
- wlesieutre 9y ago
  Can confirm I have a hybrid wired/wireless mouse (Logitech G700s) and I generally just leave it plugged in. Which works fine, so I'm glad Logitech decided not to be assholes about it.
  - wlesieutre 9y ago
    Incidentally if anyone's looking for a mouse, Logitech really handles this perfectly. When it's plugged in to USB they use the cable for power + data so there's a tiny bit less latency and no worries about signal dropping. It switches the data to the wireless dongle automatically if the cable is unplugged. The mouse runs off of a single rechargable AA battery (came with an Eneloop brand NiMH which are well regarded). If your battery dies you can either plug it in to charge or just pull the battery and swap in a fresh one. Since it's a standard battery you can toss the dead one in a normal NiMH charger. A+ mouse, would recommend.
    - taternuts 9y ago
      I second the recommendation, been using a logitech performance MX mouse for probably 4-5 years now. My company gave out the apple mouse and I made them specially order the MX for me. I am a creature of comfort though as I did the same for my keyboard.
      - dylan-m 9y ago
        I did the same. I tried to use the Apple mouse for a couple months, I really did, but I felt my wrists turning into frozen fish and decided enough was enough. (This was the previous generation mouse where you needed to replace the AA batteries yourself, like a barbarian. Are the current ones shaped any differently at least?). Brought in my old Das Keyboard while I was at it. World of difference. And I don't feel any less cool, despite there being several physical buttons and a hole on the side of my mouse.
    - maxsilver 9y ago
      That solution is so well designed, you'd almost expect a company like Apple to come up with it. Especially since Apple made and sold their own NiMH batteries and chargers until 2016. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-battery-charger-white/1209916.p?skuId=1209916 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-battery-charger-white/120...
      - 9y ago
- jackmott 9y ago
  pfft
- zeveb 9y ago
  > users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless Where 'better experience' is defined as 'not having a mouse until it charges back up'?
  - firethief 9y ago
    I'm not agreeing with them, I'm just postulating that this is an example of Apple's creed of "our designers know better than our users".
yathern 9y ago
If it was on the side, people would keep it plugged in all the time - like one does with a mouse. That's against the creative vision of the team who designed the mouse.
MertsA 9y ago
What irks me the most is that they went through all of that trouble to make sure that you can't use the mouse like a wired mouse. You shouldn't ever have to take steps to hinder your customers using their devices just to protect your brand image.
Florin_Andrei 9y ago
I wouldn't mind it so much if the low battery alert was actually useful. But it only pops out when there's like 1% battery left in the mouse - basically making sure you will lose power soon. The sheer lack of thinking here boggles the mind. Guys, it's an alert, it's not useful at all if I get it right before the bad thing happens. How would you like it if I switched on my turn signal 1 second before I actually turn my vehicle in front of you?
- jsz0 9y ago
  The low battery warning appears at 15% charge remaining. Perhaps you disabled the warnings sometime ago and forgot you did it? https://www.macworld.com/article/3024515/macs/how-to-disable-mouse-and-keyboard-low-battery-warnings-you-cant.html https://www.macworld.com/article/3024515/macs/how-to-disable...
  - Florin_Andrei 9y ago
    No, I have most definitely not. And it's absolutely not 15%. That would be fantastic. It's in the low single digits.
crooked-v 9y ago
> So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? Because Lightning cables are too flimsy, so doing so has a chance to break the cable at the connector end.
nsxwolf 9y ago
I have one on my desk. It's the biggest non-issue ever. Do you ever need to go to the bathroom? Or get up and get a drink of water? Plug it in, and by the time you come back, you have enough charge to last you the rest of the day. Remember to plug it in overnight, and you've got at least a month of charge. It's just a ridiculous complaint that it can't be used while plugged in. It's a wireless mouse - why would you want it to have a wire?
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  I'm not saying it's an issue, I'm saying that it costs between 5-10 times more than other mice. One would expect a little more thought would go into designing it.

gxs 9y ago

HN can be a fickle beast - glad you haven't been downvoted. The hate on the new macbook pro's was especially interesting - they are solid machines and my company had no issues as they started provisioning over the old ones for new employees.

teamhappy 9y ago

> What are you on about? Audio jack is there. They removed the audio jack from their phones and their "pro" laptops barely have any ports left. Some people use those, you know. > I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all times. The OP clearly doesn't. > Please list it. I'm dying to know more! Just a few of the top of my head: mDNSResponder, GPU drivers, WiFi issues, Safari used to crash a lot, goto fail, there was the fun one were the GPU driver was loaded too late so that ... something something color profiles ... your screen had a blue tint the whole fucking time. Lots of good stuff, really. > Silly opinion. I'd love to elaborate on this one but I'm afraid my MBP will overheat when continue typing.

CodeWriter23 9y ago

I presume we’re talking about the Magic Mouuse 2 here. You must not use your mouse very much. I get about 3 weeks on a charge. What baffles me about the MM 2, why didn’t they put a notch at the top so you could plug the Lightning cable in and use it while it is charging?

artursapek 9y ago
> why didn’t they put a notch at the top The next one will, to match the new phone

nkkollaw 9y ago

Hey Jerry2. From the tone you're using and the things you're saying it looks like you're lost and are looking for Reddit. I have no interest in taking your comment seriously and reply to your accusation that I am not writing this comment from a MacBook Pro.