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This is absolutely 100% insane. Imagine if CPU makers prevented you from running PassMark. Hell, imagine if car's manufacturer warranty was voided if you to

This is absolutely 100% insane. Imagine if CPU makers prevented you from running PassMark. Hell, imagine if car's manufacturer warranty was voided if you took it to a dynamometer. Why do we as a society allow these absurd rent seeking practices like these? What possible social good could come from preventing discussion about an enterprise software product?

kuschku 9y ago
> Hell, imagine if car's manufacturer warranty was voided if you took it to a dynamometer. Ferrari has the right to force you to give your car back if you do anything unauthorized with it, including any modification, or any unapproved testing. This was why Deadmau5 had to give back his Purrari (he modified the logo and theme to a nyancat theme)
- ben-schaaf 9y ago
  This sounds like bullshit to me. If you own the car you have every right to modify it. It's your property. I can see Ferrari not selling you any new cars because you did something they don't like, but I don't see how they have e the right to force you to give your car back (which you paid for) if you modify it.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Well, because you don’t buy the car. Ferrari owns it, you buy a license to use it. Just like with all your online services, or your software.
    - dagw 9y ago
      Ferrari owns it, you buy a license to use it. That sounds like sort of claim that should be backed up with some pretty significant evidence.
      - omginternets 9y ago
        One random google result: https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/these-are-the-insane-terms-of-the-ferrari-f50-leasing-program-256894 https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/these-are-the-insane-ter... This is far from the first time they've done this, as subsequent google searches will attest. I'll leave this as an exercise to the reader.
        pmontra 9y ago
        It's not a license. It's a lease and the car is yours at the end of the lease period. > The lucky few selected to get an F50 would make a down payment of $240,000. Yes, that's right: a down payment of $240,000... on a car. After that, monthly payments were $5,600. Five thousand. Six hundred. Per month. For 24 months. And then, at the end of the lease, you owned the car -- assuming you could come up with the final payment of $150,000. Total payments over the 2-year span: $534,400. Only then could you resell your F50 and make money off the wild speculation.
        omginternets 9y ago
        That's a distinction without a difference. I also suggest the Google query.
  - omginternets 9y ago
    >If you own the car you have every right to modify it. It's your property. Some (many?) Ferrari models aren't for sale. Rather, they're indefinitely leased.
- luka-birsa 9y ago
  Bullshit. Purrari was sold online.
  - petepete 9y ago
    Yeah, Ferrari sent him a cease and desist notice. He replaced it with a Nyanborghini.
efficax 9y ago
I think the purpose is to try and prevent benchmarks being posted that are on improperly configured or optimized systems and therefore misleading, not to "hide" the performance characteristics of the database. That said, Oracle sucks and I can never imagine using their software.
- Drdrdrq 9y ago
  I'm sure that's just a very convenient excuse.
  - Tostino 9y ago
    It is, but it is also a very true one. I've seen way too many terrible benchmarks of MySQL and Postgres to remember them all, because of misconfiguration, not understanding best practices which apply to each, etc. I can see why they'd restrict them.
mattb314 9y ago
Worth noting that (I'm 99% sure) you're absolutely allowed to benchmark Oracle, just not publish the results publicly. It's pretty common for DB papers to compare against postgres and a number of "mystery" databases because the authors' license agreement with Oracle prevents them from naming it.

kuschku 9y ago

> Hell, imagine if car's manufacturer warranty was voided if you took it to a dynamometer. Ferrari has the right to force you to give your car back if you do anything unauthorized with it, including any modification, or any unapproved testing. This was why Deadmau5 had to give back his Purrari (he modified the logo and theme to a nyancat theme)

ben-schaaf 9y ago
This sounds like bullshit to me. If you own the car you have every right to modify it. It's your property. I can see Ferrari not selling you any new cars because you did something they don't like, but I don't see how they have e the right to force you to give your car back (which you paid for) if you modify it.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Well, because you don’t buy the car. Ferrari owns it, you buy a license to use it. Just like with all your online services, or your software.
  - dagw 9y ago
    Ferrari owns it, you buy a license to use it. That sounds like sort of claim that should be backed up with some pretty significant evidence.
    - omginternets 9y ago
      One random google result: https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/these-are-the-insane-terms-of-the-ferrari-f50-leasing-program-256894 https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/these-are-the-insane-ter... This is far from the first time they've done this, as subsequent google searches will attest. I'll leave this as an exercise to the reader.
      - pmontra 9y ago
        It's not a license. It's a lease and the car is yours at the end of the lease period. > The lucky few selected to get an F50 would make a down payment of $240,000. Yes, that's right: a down payment of $240,000... on a car. After that, monthly payments were $5,600. Five thousand. Six hundred. Per month. For 24 months. And then, at the end of the lease, you owned the car -- assuming you could come up with the final payment of $150,000. Total payments over the 2-year span: $534,400. Only then could you resell your F50 and make money off the wild speculation.
        omginternets 9y ago
        That's a distinction without a difference. I also suggest the Google query.
- omginternets 9y ago
  >If you own the car you have every right to modify it. It's your property. Some (many?) Ferrari models aren't for sale. Rather, they're indefinitely leased.
luka-birsa 9y ago
Bullshit. Purrari was sold online.
- petepete 9y ago
  Yeah, Ferrari sent him a cease and desist notice. He replaced it with a Nyanborghini.

efficax 9y ago

I think the purpose is to try and prevent benchmarks being posted that are on improperly configured or optimized systems and therefore misleading, not to "hide" the performance characteristics of the database. That said, Oracle sucks and I can never imagine using their software.

Drdrdrq 9y ago
I'm sure that's just a very convenient excuse.
- Tostino 9y ago
  It is, but it is also a very true one. I've seen way too many terrible benchmarks of MySQL and Postgres to remember them all, because of misconfiguration, not understanding best practices which apply to each, etc. I can see why they'd restrict them.

mattb314 9y ago

Worth noting that (I'm 99% sure) you're absolutely allowed to benchmark Oracle, just not publish the results publicly. It's pretty common for DB papers to compare against postgres and a number of "mystery" databases because the authors' license agreement with Oracle prevents them from naming it.