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Edge is not a good browser. It is holding the web back with its slow adoption of HTML5 standards. (source: https://html5test.com/compare/browser/chrome-58/edge-

Edge is not a good browser. It is holding the web back with its slow adoption of HTML5 standards. (source: https://html5test.com/compare/browser/chrome-58/edge-12.html https://html5test.com/compare/browser/chrome-58/edge-12.html) Edge still has a spoof referrer header vulnerability that's been known for more than 6 months now: https://www.brokenbrowser.com/referer-spoofing-patch-bypass/ https://www.brokenbrowser.com/referer-spoofing-patch-bypass/

kylealden 9y ago
The version of Edge you're linking to on HTML5Test there is two years and four major versions out of date. Edge 16 is more than 100 points higher on HTML5Test. More generally, there's a lot more to making the web great than a blind sprint to adopt every API. Just because it isn't shipping doesn't mean Microsoft isn't a (very) active participant in the standards conversations, testing behind flags, etc. That is a huge part of moving the web forward. Take Grid as an example - we were the last browser to ship the updated spec, so you could say we "held it back." But we also originated the first version of the spec and worked closely with the community, standards bodies, and other browser vendors on making sure what ultimately shipped cross-browser this year was great, useful, and interoperable. Is that holding the web back? (Disclaimer: Edge employee)
- mixedbit 9y ago
  To add another example, WebVR API cleanup was inspired by Microsoft that joined the group working on this API. Edge isn't yet shipping WebVR, but they are helping with the work.
  - kylealden 9y ago
    Good example! Though, for the record, WebVR 1.1 is shipping in EdgeHTML 15. Fair to call it a preview, since consumer headsets won't be available until later this month with the Fall Creators Update, at which point end-to-end support will work out of the box.
Artemis2 9y ago
Why are you comparing the latest version of Chrome to Edge 12, which according to Wikipedia was last released August 27, 2015?
KirinDave 9y ago
Is this a deliberate lie or a massive mistake? I'm asking to know if I should use my userscript to block you as a deceptive actor here or if I should just leave it at a down vote.
gok 9y ago
Firstly you're comparing today's Chrome with an Edge copy from more than 2 years ago. Secondly, html5test scores are bullshit. It gives a points utterly arbitrarily; you still get 5 points for continuing to implement rejected specifications like Web SQL, while actually useful features like the FileSystem API or WebAssembly gets you nothing. I've never used Edge and have no particular interest in it, but html5test is basically a way for Chrome users to feel good about themselves.
- gok 9y ago
  (Not to say that Chrome users shouldn’t feel good about themselves for other reasons, just not their browser’s html5test score)

kylealden 9y ago

The version of Edge you're linking to on HTML5Test there is two years and four major versions out of date. Edge 16 is more than 100 points higher on HTML5Test. More generally, there's a lot more to making the web great than a blind sprint to adopt every API. Just because it isn't shipping doesn't mean Microsoft isn't a (very) active participant in the standards conversations, testing behind flags, etc. That is a huge part of moving the web forward. Take Grid as an example - we were the last browser to ship the updated spec, so you could say we "held it back." But we also originated the first version of the spec and worked closely with the community, standards bodies, and other browser vendors on making sure what ultimately shipped cross-browser this year was great, useful, and interoperable. Is that holding the web back? (Disclaimer: Edge employee)

mixedbit 9y ago
To add another example, WebVR API cleanup was inspired by Microsoft that joined the group working on this API. Edge isn't yet shipping WebVR, but they are helping with the work.
- kylealden 9y ago
  Good example! Though, for the record, WebVR 1.1 is shipping in EdgeHTML 15. Fair to call it a preview, since consumer headsets won't be available until later this month with the Fall Creators Update, at which point end-to-end support will work out of the box.

Artemis2 9y ago

Why are you comparing the latest version of Chrome to Edge 12, which according to Wikipedia was last released August 27, 2015?

KirinDave 9y ago

Is this a deliberate lie or a massive mistake? I'm asking to know if I should use my userscript to block you as a deceptive actor here or if I should just leave it at a down vote.

gok 9y ago

Firstly you're comparing today's Chrome with an Edge copy from more than 2 years ago. Secondly, html5test scores are bullshit. It gives a points utterly arbitrarily; you still get 5 points for continuing to implement rejected specifications like Web SQL, while actually useful features like the FileSystem API or WebAssembly gets you nothing. I've never used Edge and have no particular interest in it, but html5test is basically a way for Chrome users to feel good about themselves.

gok 9y ago
(Not to say that Chrome users shouldn’t feel good about themselves for other reasons, just not their browser’s html5test score)