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The vast majority of people in prison are not dangerous (and, in my view at least, don't belong there), at least in the US.
by duozerk 9y ago
The vast majority of people in prison are not dangerous (and, in my view at least, don't belong there), at least in the US.
- smcl 9y agoYou are completely correct. I'd also add that even if we assume everyone IS dangerous, would you really want to lock them away for 5, 10, 15 years without any thought as to what sort of human they'd be after that? My personal opinion is that we should treat these people humanely and with sympathy, but if GP is taking an extreme self-centered approach then why not consider the possibility that the system is creating people who are more dangerous to them in the long run?
- hnaccy 9y ago>The vast majority of people in prison are not dangerous Why do you think this?
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoI found a source for inmate stats: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen... It's hard to precisely quantify the violent versus non-violent crimes, so I'll be making some assumptions in my summary based on some educated guesses about the kinds of crimes that land you in each category: Non-violent: 70% Violent: 30%
- hnaccy 9y agoThat's only counting federal prisoners. When you include state prisoners you get Violent: 47% Property: 17% Weapons: 5% It's not obvious to me that the "vast majority" of prisoners are not dangerous.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoI question the reliability of the metrics, especially at the state-level where records keeping, analysis, and justice procedures are disjoint. I would find it hard to believe that we have both the highest prisoners per capita and the highest violent people per capita.
- merpnderp 9y agoWhy is this hard to believe? Even with more ready access to guns, Americans stab, beat, and bludgeon more people to death that most countries entire murder rate. The US is a violent country even without counting the guns.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoDon't take this to absurdisms. I take it you're not American? The stereotypes about us are no more true than the stereotypes about your country.
- cygaril 9y agoI believe GP's claim is factually accurate. The USA has the 4th highest homicide rate in the OECD, after Mexico, Turkey, and Estonia [1]. Roughly 2/3 of US homicides are using firearms [2]. After reducing the US homicide rate by a factor of 3, the US would still be 13th (out of 34) on the OECD list, between Portugal and France. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-homicide-rates-chart-2015-6?r=US&IR=T http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-homicide-rates-chart-201... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Homicides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_S...
- kybernetikos 9y agoWhich figures are you using to consider their statement absurd? I suppose the 'most' countries part is only true if you restrict it to the usually considered rich countries or 'developed' countries, but that seems like a reasonable restriction to make given the context. I did a quick calculation based on probably obsolete numbers, but I got a homicide rate of around 4.8 per 100000 of which 2.7 are with guns, leaving 2.1 without which is still higher than most European countries. (check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... )
- Domenic_S 9y ago"violent" is not the total subset of "dangerous".