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I'm happy you like VSCode so much. I do too, but I don't think it really qualify as a IDE. Same goes for Atom. Unless you consider Sublime an IDE as well. It ha

I'm happy you like VSCode so much. I do too, but I don't think it really qualify as a IDE. Same goes for Atom. Unless you consider Sublime an IDE as well. It has all the features they do, mainly because they ripped it off to gain them. Putting that aside, I totally understand what you're saying about Vim. I felt the same way when I started out with it. But I didn't have a choice at the time because the company I work at only supported Vim, and there weren't too many other options around at the time. Atom was just new and ran like a dog. We were told we couldn't use Sublime unless we bought a license, so I was stuck with Vim. And now, after 3 years of learning, and tweaking, and practising, I get Vim. I'm not a hardcore user; I don't use hjkl, I rarely use any register apart from ", but that doesn't mean I'm not getting any benefit from Vim. There are definitely some features in those other editors that are also attractive, but I've managed to find ways to replicate them in Vim, either using plugins or by mapping commands. That said, at home I still use Sublime, but it has been pretty awkward because my hands are so use to certain Vim things, that I find myself pressing keys, doing things I didn't intend a lot. Installing a Vim-mode plugin to one of those editors doesn't fix that.

movedx 9y ago
> I'm happy you like VSCode so much. I do too, but I don't think it really qualify as a IDE. Same goes for Atom. Unless you consider Sublime an IDE as well. It has all the features they do, mainly because they ripped it off to gain them. I never said it was an IDE. At least, I never intended to say it was, because it's not. > And now, after 3 years of learning, and tweaking, and practising, I get Vim. It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case.
- flukus 9y ago
  > I use VSCode, and I've found that I haven't had to leave the editor or install anything outside of VSCode plugins to make it operate as a Java IDE, Go IDE (OK, I had to install Delve), or Python IDE. You explicitly called it an IDE. > It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case. They didn't say that. Anyone without sever learning difficulties should be as productive in vim as any text editor in a few days at most, it just takes years to master because it's capable of so much.
  - movedx 9y ago
    > You explicitly called it an IDE. I called it an editor that I made into an IDE. It operates no different than the most powerful IDEs available for the languages listed. > Anyone without sever learning difficulties Now you're just being rude.
- nitemice 9y ago
  > It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case. It didn't take three years to get productive. It probably took a few months before I was fully productive, and that was while learning a new language and new codebase at the same time. It's taken 3 years to get, not just comfortable and familiar but, beyond comfortable with Vim. It's taken 3 years for Vimming to become second nature. Actually, that's not true. I was typing Vim commands into my browser at the start of the year, so it's probably more like two years. And that's not even 100% solid use. Last year, I used a lot of IntelliJ, VSCode, and Eclipse, but using Vim 1-2 days a week kept me in the habit enough that it's second nature to me.
  - movedx 9y ago
    Fair enough! I'm honestly glad it's working for you. The point of my original post was to talk to new users of Vim. You're quite well established with Vim so it's easy to have the opinion that it's not too difficult to use. However, I believe there are better options that enable people to be just as productive in a fraction, of a fraction of the time. Good luck.
    - Analog24 9y ago
      I mentioned this in another comment but it's worth reiterating: IDE's and vim are not mutually exclusive. Every IDE offers a vim mode or vim plugin that gives you the best of both worlds.

movedx 9y ago

> I'm happy you like VSCode so much. I do too, but I don't think it really qualify as a IDE. Same goes for Atom. Unless you consider Sublime an IDE as well. It has all the features they do, mainly because they ripped it off to gain them. I never said it was an IDE. At least, I never intended to say it was, because it's not. > And now, after 3 years of learning, and tweaking, and practising, I get Vim. It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case.

flukus 9y ago
> I use VSCode, and I've found that I haven't had to leave the editor or install anything outside of VSCode plugins to make it operate as a Java IDE, Go IDE (OK, I had to install Delve), or Python IDE. You explicitly called it an IDE. > It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case. They didn't say that. Anyone without sever learning difficulties should be as productive in vim as any text editor in a few days at most, it just takes years to master because it's capable of so much.
- movedx 9y ago
  > You explicitly called it an IDE. I called it an editor that I made into an IDE. It operates no different than the most powerful IDEs available for the languages listed. > Anyone without sever learning difficulties Now you're just being rude.
nitemice 9y ago
> It took three years to learn to use Vim to be productive, is what you're saying here. Point and case. It didn't take three years to get productive. It probably took a few months before I was fully productive, and that was while learning a new language and new codebase at the same time. It's taken 3 years to get, not just comfortable and familiar but, beyond comfortable with Vim. It's taken 3 years for Vimming to become second nature. Actually, that's not true. I was typing Vim commands into my browser at the start of the year, so it's probably more like two years. And that's not even 100% solid use. Last year, I used a lot of IntelliJ, VSCode, and Eclipse, but using Vim 1-2 days a week kept me in the habit enough that it's second nature to me.
- movedx 9y ago
  Fair enough! I'm honestly glad it's working for you. The point of my original post was to talk to new users of Vim. You're quite well established with Vim so it's easy to have the opinion that it's not too difficult to use. However, I believe there are better options that enable people to be just as productive in a fraction, of a fraction of the time. Good luck.
  - Analog24 9y ago
    I mentioned this in another comment but it's worth reiterating: IDE's and vim are not mutually exclusive. Every IDE offers a vim mode or vim plugin that gives you the best of both worlds.