> I'm not sure where you are getting it from, but according to ETSI IPR Guide, Section 1.11 That’s not a definition of FRAND, legal or otherwise. This is a sta

> I'm not sure where you are getting it from, but according to ETSI IPR Guide, Section 1.11 That’s not a definition of FRAND, legal or otherwise. This is a statement of the ESTIs view on IP rights. The only reference to FRAND in that section is at the end, where it talks about non-FRAND IP. > Conclusion: Apple's own witness testified that Samsung is under no obligation to make a FRAND "initial offer." Apple and their own expert clearly knew about it. You literally just quoted an expert witness who says that there’s no definition of FRAND in that doc: Apple's witness on ETSI policy and practice testified the ETSI IPR Policy document has "no precise definition of FRAND" You’ve provided no evidence for your claims about FRAND and I’m very uninterested in discussing whether Apple is playing dumb, because I really don’t care.