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I think it's easy to look past positions and want to punish someone, or anyone, who you believe has used corrupt practices to unrightfully squash your candidate

I think it's easy to look past positions and want to punish someone, or anyone, who you believe has used corrupt practices to unrightfully squash your candidate's chances. Especially after some of the perceived chicanery at some of the caucuses, some of the emails, etc. There's a very real tendency to say "oh, so you think you can not play fair and square, try to manipulate me, and take it for granted like I'm some pawn? Well then, I'm going to let it all burn. Serve you right." That said, I don't think I know any people who were in favor of Bernie who did vote for Trump. Whereas I do know decent numbers of "conservative-ish" type people who were disgusted with Trump, but never in 10 million years would vote for a Clinton, but would maybe have been willing to vote for Sanders over Trump, mostly because he wasn't Trump or Hillary and sort of overlapped a bit with Joe Biden type blue-collarism while being an outsider. But given the choice between Hillary or Trump, they'd all feel sick and go Trump. Tangentially, I think there's a large chunk of Democratic party die-hards who still just do not understand how much the Clintons are hated, or who focus on such dislike being unfair rather than just seeing it as reality to contend with.

mercer 9y ago
I've always been sympathetic to the concerns of Hillary fans around me (misogyny, partisan smearing, etc.), but for me one good reason I wouldn't have voted for her, and one that I'm kind of surprised I don't hear more often, is that it just strikes me as fundamentally wrong for the partner of a former president to become president. We're talking about the USA, not some small village with ten inhabitants, or North Korea. Am I wrong about having so much difficulty with this?
- uncletaco 9y ago
  I think there's room for nuance; particularly because the partners are both of the same political organization and each has governing experience under their belts: one as an executive and the other as a legislator and high-level appointee. Now if we had a situation like in Alabama where George Wallace used his dying wife to get around term limits then I would call it grade A fuckery; but the Clintons were both qualified to hold the office on their own merits, marriage not withstanding.

mercer 9y ago

I've always been sympathetic to the concerns of Hillary fans around me (misogyny, partisan smearing, etc.), but for me one good reason I wouldn't have voted for her, and one that I'm kind of surprised I don't hear more often, is that it just strikes me as fundamentally wrong for the partner of a former president to become president. We're talking about the USA, not some small village with ten inhabitants, or North Korea. Am I wrong about having so much difficulty with this?

uncletaco 9y ago
I think there's room for nuance; particularly because the partners are both of the same political organization and each has governing experience under their belts: one as an executive and the other as a legislator and high-level appointee. Now if we had a situation like in Alabama where George Wallace used his dying wife to get around term limits then I would call it grade A fuckery; but the Clintons were both qualified to hold the office on their own merits, marriage not withstanding.