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It's difficult to compete with free, even if (and I'm not saying it is) the free version is substandard. I'm sure the federal government is budget conscious wit

It's difficult to compete with free, even if (and I'm not saying it is) the free version is substandard. I'm sure the federal government is budget conscious with the current administration.

eduren 9y ago
What I worry about is whether their "budgetary consciousness" can outweigh lobbying efforts by contractors. If there's one thing this administration loves, it's big deals with big companies. That's what gets the headlines.
banku_brougham 9y ago
This was very amusing to read. I dont detect any sarcasm. I'll posit a non-partisan and opposite view: the federal government is not budget conscious under any administration.
- gph 9y ago
  Oh their conscious alright... conscious that they want to add more for everything their side supports while cutting everything the other side supports. Of course after all the political theater this usually ends up with them adding what they want but getting blocked at cutting anything.
cosinetau 9y ago
I don't think that's the case at all. I would expect more quid pro quo out of the current administration, especially if Oracle could paint Silicon Valley as a "leftist wasteland," which it probably already believes.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> I'm sure the federal government is budget conscious with the current administration. Based on...what? Certainly, the current administration is opposed to much of the non-defense, non-criminal-law-enforcement function of the federal government, and eager to cite budget concerns in that context, but I don't see much evidence that it is generally budget conscious beyond that.
- Clubber 9y ago
  Cuts to disaster funding: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-agencies-respond-to-storm-some-face-cuts-under-trump-budget-proposal/2017/08/29/0fbbd6ca-8cc8-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.8ac30fdc8ed4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-agencies-respond-... Medicaid and anti-poverty: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/politics/trump-budget-cuts.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/politics/trump-budget-... Dept of labor: -19.8% Dept of the interior: -10.9% Dept of state and intl aid: -29.1% Dept of Justice: -3.8% Dept of Housing and Urban Devl: -13.2% Dept of Education: -13.5% Corps of Engineers: -16.3% EPA: -31.4% DOT: -12.7% http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-budget-cuts-programs/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-budget-cuts-pro... Also, by budget conscious, I mean the individual department's budgets, not the overall federal government's budget, which has been a wreck since Reagan (minus 2 years of Clinton).
kristopolous 9y ago
ah but you forgot their first priority which is to coddle the rich and subsidize those who can pay for $250,000 fundraising dinners. You know, like that one from last week, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-25/trump-dinner-at-nyc-s-le-cirque-seeks-up-to-250-000-per-couple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-25/trump-din...
- jlarocco 9y ago
  As much as I dislike Trump, that's not unique to his administration.
  - kristopolous 9y ago
    It's the way the world works and it's been around long enough that even the Romans and Egyptians complained about it. Most post-industrial countries have concluded they need fairly strict controls on how power and money co-mingle. But the teaching of how power and money works and corrupts is so abysmal in the US that many are miraculously continually surprised every time they see it. If Hillary or Bernie or even Jill Stein had won, this would still be true. It's not about the person. Laws, enforcement and diligence is needed here. Democracy doesn't come with an autopilot.
- nameless912 9y ago
  And an ungodly amount of money towards Mnuchin's private charter bollocks.
- drharby 9y ago
  Am i on hn or reddit?
user5994461 9y ago
There is no such thing as free when any guy who does the work costs at least $1000 a day.
- kstrauser 9y ago
  That's a moot point when Oracle consultants cost way more than that. PostgreSQL + employee is going to be cheaper than Oracle + employee in either case.

It's difficult to compete with free, even if (and I'm not saying it is) the free version is substandard. I'm sure the federal government is budget conscious with the current administration.

eduren 9y ago

What I worry about is whether their "budgetary consciousness" can outweigh lobbying efforts by contractors. If there's one thing this administration loves, it's big deals with big companies. That's what gets the headlines.

banku_brougham 9y ago

This was very amusing to read. I dont detect any sarcasm. I'll posit a non-partisan and opposite view: the federal government is not budget conscious under any administration.

gph 9y ago
Oh their conscious alright... conscious that they want to add more for everything their side supports while cutting everything the other side supports. Of course after all the political theater this usually ends up with them adding what they want but getting blocked at cutting anything.

cosinetau 9y ago

I don't think that's the case at all. I would expect more quid pro quo out of the current administration, especially if Oracle could paint Silicon Valley as a "leftist wasteland," which it probably already believes.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> I'm sure the federal government is budget conscious with the current administration. Based on...what? Certainly, the current administration is opposed to much of the non-defense, non-criminal-law-enforcement function of the federal government, and eager to cite budget concerns in that context, but I don't see much evidence that it is generally budget conscious beyond that.

Clubber 9y ago
Cuts to disaster funding: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-agencies-respond-to-storm-some-face-cuts-under-trump-budget-proposal/2017/08/29/0fbbd6ca-8cc8-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.8ac30fdc8ed4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-agencies-respond-... Medicaid and anti-poverty: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/politics/trump-budget-cuts.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/politics/trump-budget-... Dept of labor: -19.8% Dept of the interior: -10.9% Dept of state and intl aid: -29.1% Dept of Justice: -3.8% Dept of Housing and Urban Devl: -13.2% Dept of Education: -13.5% Corps of Engineers: -16.3% EPA: -31.4% DOT: -12.7% http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-budget-cuts-programs/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/trump-budget-cuts-pro... Also, by budget conscious, I mean the individual department's budgets, not the overall federal government's budget, which has been a wreck since Reagan (minus 2 years of Clinton).

kristopolous 9y ago

ah but you forgot their first priority which is to coddle the rich and subsidize those who can pay for $250,000 fundraising dinners. You know, like that one from last week, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-25/trump-dinner-at-nyc-s-le-cirque-seeks-up-to-250-000-per-couple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-25/trump-din...

jlarocco 9y ago
As much as I dislike Trump, that's not unique to his administration.
- kristopolous 9y ago
  It's the way the world works and it's been around long enough that even the Romans and Egyptians complained about it. Most post-industrial countries have concluded they need fairly strict controls on how power and money co-mingle. But the teaching of how power and money works and corrupts is so abysmal in the US that many are miraculously continually surprised every time they see it. If Hillary or Bernie or even Jill Stein had won, this would still be true. It's not about the person. Laws, enforcement and diligence is needed here. Democracy doesn't come with an autopilot.
nameless912 9y ago
And an ungodly amount of money towards Mnuchin's private charter bollocks.
drharby 9y ago
Am i on hn or reddit?

user5994461 9y ago

There is no such thing as free when any guy who does the work costs at least $1000 a day.

kstrauser 9y ago
That's a moot point when Oracle consultants cost way more than that. PostgreSQL + employee is going to be cheaper than Oracle + employee in either case.