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Ah, China, you know, it is the modern day and age and you cannot get what we here in the west got the way we got it. Sorry. Edit: Oh, getting some downvotes, j
by teekert 9y ago
Ah, China, you know, it is the modern day and age and you cannot get what we here in the west got the way we got it. Sorry.
Edit: Oh, getting some downvotes, just saying that it is a bit hypocritically to go to a western zoo (not saying you all are) and watch elephants probably acquired in a similar fashion.
- adamnemecek 9y agoWhich is what in this particular case? Elephants for zoos? I'm against zoos but the way these Chinese zoos are going about this is extremely cruel. It's very likely that these elephants will die when separated from their families. And the conditions they will be living in are alarming. https://www.thedodo.com/baby-elephants-zimbabwe-zoos-984778420.html https://www.thedodo.com/baby-elephants-zimbabwe-zoos-9847784...
- sillysaurus3 9y agoHow did the west acquire their elephants?
- adamnemecek 9y agoAs families. Not condoning it, but these young elephants are pretty likely to die.
- sillysaurus3 9y agoAh. So if China were to capture entire families of elephants, you'd be ok with it? I'm just trying to determine where the line is. I went to a zoo a couple months ago. The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore.
- mschuster91 9y ago> The elephants' tusks were cut, presumably so that the elephants wouldn't be able to impale each other. That was a bit too sad for me to want to go back to zoos anymore. Hint: the same is being done in mass animal production - pigs have their tails capped to prevent cannibalism from boredom, and chickens get "debeaked" (yeah it's an actual word). Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right after hatching because they're fairly useless for the meat production. Sows are often restricted in movement after giving birth so they cannot accidentally crush the piglets due to the litters being too large, and the conditions on transports to slaughterhouses... let's just say that's bordering on torture.
- sillysaurus3 9y agoTrue. Also, it occurred to me just now that maybe the elephants' tusks were already cut before they arrived at the zoo, and the zoo was protecting them. So I don't know enough about it.
- dpark 9y ago> Male chicks actually get gassed or shredded alive (!) to death right after hatching because they're fairly useless for the meat production. This isn't true. Most male chicks are slaughtered as broilers, just like most female chicks. (In fact broilers were initially the males that were culled from the egg-laying females.)
- adamnemecek 9y agoIt is (the video is disturbing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vgTLkE3uqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vgTLkE3uqk
- dpark 9y agoThis might indeed be the case for chickens raised for egg laying. The GP referred to raising chickens for meat. Males are definitely raised for meat (but slaughtered as juveniles, just like most females). But yeah, that video is disturbing.
- have_faith 9y ago> we did something wrong in the past so other people are allowed to do it in the present Not sure on your logic here.
- ceejayoz 9y agoThat said, I can understand the frustration at the hypocrisy. Perhaps the developed world could recognize the unfairness of the situation and help Chinese zoos with care standards and loans/donations of elephants from zoos that have them.
- teekert 9y agoI agree very much with that, same as with polluting industries etc.