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> Mouse allows precision selection and clicking on text that no amount of keyboarding, touching, or apple penciling. Ummm, good keybindings are better/faster t

by zeveb 9y ago

> Mouse allows precision selection and clicking on text that no amount of keyboarding, touching, or apple penciling. Ummm, good keybindings are better/faster than a mouse. E.g. were I writing this in emacs I could select 'keybindings' with C-r k RET C-SPC M-C-f; I could then copy it with M-SPC — all in less time than it takes to switch my hands from the home row to the mouse.

j45 9y ago
The thing I ask you to consider is a valid use case may exist for others outside how you use tech. There's likely little question the vast majority of laptop users use a mouse or trackpad for their day to day. From a power user perspective: I'm not aware I can use those keybindings to select text in any iOS app and not just in a shell app? I'm very well versed with keyboard shortcuts, type 100 wpm, and use vim regularly. A mouse will always be faster for through administering GUI apps where there are settings screen with many dropdowns and checkboxes on every screen. I log in to as many remote desktops and vms with a GUI as command line. I interchangeably work between Linux, Mac and Windows in a day. Selexting text in any iOS app also can't be done by keyboard shortcut as far as I know. The mouse again provides the most precision, and I'm not a huge fan of it. The apple pen might be an admission of the need for precision on iPad for more use cases. It wouldn't kill Apple to expose the mouse capability so I wouldn't have to consider a surface pro. The iPad with a mouse would be amazing laptop for most.
- zeveb 9y ago
  > The thing I ask you to consider is a valid use case may exist for others outside how you use tech. Oh, certainly. I find the lack of a mouse to be almost as insufferable as the lack of a keyboard. > I'm not aware I can use those keybindings to select text in any iOS app and not just in a shell app? There's no reason why iOS couldn't incorporate more-complex keybindings throughout, and it fact macOS does incorporate some emacs-like keybindings. > A mouse will always be faster for through administering GUI apps where there are settings screen with many dropdowns and checkboxes on every screen. Actually, take a look at customize[0]: it's a complete, mouse- or keyboard-driven GUI (yes, that includes buttons & checkboxes). It can be pretty nice to be able to C-s and interactive-search a GUI panel. I certainly won't deny that a mouse or stylus is useful for precision GUI manipulation — I'm just noting that more can be achieved with a keyboard that typical 1984-Macintosh-derived GUIs attempt. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvihNaXANW0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvihNaXANW0

by zeveb 9y ago

j45 9y ago

The thing I ask you to consider is a valid use case may exist for others outside how you use tech. There's likely little question the vast majority of laptop users use a mouse or trackpad for their day to day. From a power user perspective: I'm not aware I can use those keybindings to select text in any iOS app and not just in a shell app? I'm very well versed with keyboard shortcuts, type 100 wpm, and use vim regularly. A mouse will always be faster for through administering GUI apps where there are settings screen with many dropdowns and checkboxes on every screen. I log in to as many remote desktops and vms with a GUI as command line. I interchangeably work between Linux, Mac and Windows in a day. Selexting text in any iOS app also can't be done by keyboard shortcut as far as I know. The mouse again provides the most precision, and I'm not a huge fan of it. The apple pen might be an admission of the need for precision on iPad for more use cases. It wouldn't kill Apple to expose the mouse capability so I wouldn't have to consider a surface pro. The iPad with a mouse would be amazing laptop for most.

zeveb 9y ago
> The thing I ask you to consider is a valid use case may exist for others outside how you use tech. Oh, certainly. I find the lack of a mouse to be almost as insufferable as the lack of a keyboard. > I'm not aware I can use those keybindings to select text in any iOS app and not just in a shell app? There's no reason why iOS couldn't incorporate more-complex keybindings throughout, and it fact macOS does incorporate some emacs-like keybindings. > A mouse will always be faster for through administering GUI apps where there are settings screen with many dropdowns and checkboxes on every screen. Actually, take a look at customize[0]: it's a complete, mouse- or keyboard-driven GUI (yes, that includes buttons & checkboxes). It can be pretty nice to be able to C-s and interactive-search a GUI panel. I certainly won't deny that a mouse or stylus is useful for precision GUI manipulation — I'm just noting that more can be achieved with a keyboard that typical 1984-Macintosh-derived GUIs attempt. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvihNaXANW0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvihNaXANW0