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> If you get fired, you basically lose your healthcare Not in the US, at least not for 18 months anyway. It’s called COBRA and is available to anyone with work

> If you get fired, you basically lose your healthcare Not in the US, at least not for 18 months anyway. It’s called COBRA and is available to anyone with work provided insurance.

jschwartzi 9y ago
Anyone with work provided insurance who can also afford the group rate the company pays.
- Spivak 9y ago
  Which is basically saying that when you lose your job they stop paying you.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    It's a bit different because it's a hidden expense when it comes to budgeting. Six months expenses looks different if sometimes you emergency fund needs to cover CORBA that changes over time in a way that is transparent to you. If it all came out of your accounts, you could literally measure expenses and judicially tweak from there.
    - jsjohnst 9y ago
      > you could literally measure expenses I haven't worked for a company, Fortune 50 to small startup, in the past 20 years that provided medical insurance and didn't provide the employer covered cost data in an easy place for access on demand.
  - jschwartzi 9y ago
    And that COBRA is not as free as people make it sound. In fact it's more expensive. I pay $3.00/month for the group policy at work, but when I get fired I will also lose the company's payments to the plan on my behalf. So my expenses actually go up as a result of trying to take advantage of COBRA. Whereas if I were paying for my own policy, I would be aware of what it costs and would be paying the same price for insurance regardless of my employment status.
    - Spivak 9y ago
      You can also just ask your employer what their portion of the benefits is while you're employed. They'll be more than happy to tell you.
evanlivingston 9y ago
And is insanely expensive
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  COBRA was cheaper than a comparable ACA plan for me. It was also WAY cheaper than what a comparable plan pre-ACA would’ve cost. If you just need “emergency” coverage, sure there’s cheaper options. But if you have a chronic health condition, COBRA will more often than not be a lot cheaper and offer better coverage with lower out of pocket costs.
  - taurath 9y ago
    If $600/mo for a single young person is cheap to you...
    - jsjohnst 9y ago
      1) The $600/month depends on how expensive the plan you had before. I've seen COBRA be as low as $350 to as high as $800, depending on the plan you had before. 2) Everything is relative. $600/month is certainly FAR FAR cheaper than the $10k/month the medicine I critically take costs. Comparable ACA plan w/o outrageous deductible is usually $700-900. Lesson to be learned is, just because it isn't cost effective in your eyes, doesn't mean that many can't benefit from it! Feel lucky that your health needs are so basic, it almost certainly won't stay that way forever.

> If you get fired, you basically lose your healthcare Not in the US, at least not for 18 months anyway. It’s called COBRA and is available to anyone with work provided insurance.

jschwartzi 9y ago

Anyone with work provided insurance who can also afford the group rate the company pays.

Spivak 9y ago
Which is basically saying that when you lose your job they stop paying you.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  It's a bit different because it's a hidden expense when it comes to budgeting. Six months expenses looks different if sometimes you emergency fund needs to cover CORBA that changes over time in a way that is transparent to you. If it all came out of your accounts, you could literally measure expenses and judicially tweak from there.
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    > you could literally measure expenses I haven't worked for a company, Fortune 50 to small startup, in the past 20 years that provided medical insurance and didn't provide the employer covered cost data in an easy place for access on demand.
- jschwartzi 9y ago
  And that COBRA is not as free as people make it sound. In fact it's more expensive. I pay $3.00/month for the group policy at work, but when I get fired I will also lose the company's payments to the plan on my behalf. So my expenses actually go up as a result of trying to take advantage of COBRA. Whereas if I were paying for my own policy, I would be aware of what it costs and would be paying the same price for insurance regardless of my employment status.
  - Spivak 9y ago
    You can also just ask your employer what their portion of the benefits is while you're employed. They'll be more than happy to tell you.

evanlivingston 9y ago

And is insanely expensive

jsjohnst 9y ago
COBRA was cheaper than a comparable ACA plan for me. It was also WAY cheaper than what a comparable plan pre-ACA would’ve cost. If you just need “emergency” coverage, sure there’s cheaper options. But if you have a chronic health condition, COBRA will more often than not be a lot cheaper and offer better coverage with lower out of pocket costs.
- taurath 9y ago
  If $600/mo for a single young person is cheap to you...
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    1) The $600/month depends on how expensive the plan you had before. I've seen COBRA be as low as $350 to as high as $800, depending on the plan you had before. 2) Everything is relative. $600/month is certainly FAR FAR cheaper than the $10k/month the medicine I critically take costs. Comparable ACA plan w/o outrageous deductible is usually $700-900. Lesson to be learned is, just because it isn't cost effective in your eyes, doesn't mean that many can't benefit from it! Feel lucky that your health needs are so basic, it almost certainly won't stay that way forever.