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You raise an interesting objection. Some questions in this regard: 1) What does inclusivity have to do with Mozilla's core business, namely open-source Interne
by kirillkh 9y ago
You raise an interesting objection. Some questions in this regard:
1) What does inclusivity have to do with Mozilla's core business, namely open-source Internet software?
2) Can any organization declare inclusivity as one of its core values and start enforcing it by firing every person in position of power who holds an exclusionary view on any subject? By the way, there are more people in positions of power than just the CEO. Every person in the corporate hierarchy, except perhaps the lowest, holds power over other people. The exact same argument you make about the CEO can be made about a VP, a CTO or a teamleader. They all represent their group in front of everyone else and they are all looked up to by their inferiors.
3) What is an exclusionary view? Is it one advocating that people in certain category deserve less than in another category? But by that logic, you hold an exclusionary view: after all, you support the idea that people with particular views should not occupy positions of power.
4) Why is it a good idea for an organization to declare holding exclusionary opinions a punishable offense? I can tell you why it is a bad idea. Quoting an excellent comment [1] below, "there's something wrong with injecting ideology into everything, that is, dividing everything in the world into what supports your ideology and what doesn't, making all judgments based on it, and shunning all who don't share your ideology. All must prove their purity and loyalty or be excommunicated. It's a very dangerous approach, and a quick glance at history books will tell you what's at the end of this path."
The life is a complex, non-binary (in fact, multidimensional) thing, and we all err in some regard, including yourself. You don't want to be discriminated based on your opinions, unless you overstep the boundaries of law.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15398460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15398460
- jasonlotito 9y agoInstead of asking questions you should go back and read up on what happened. Your opening statement: "And yet no one has explained why a guy holding particular political views can not effectively be the face of the company. clearly demonstrates that you don't know anything about what happened.
- kirillkh 9y agoPlease be constructive. If you think I don't know something, feel free to explain or provide informative links.
- jasonlotito 9y agoI'm being a constructive as I feel I need to be considering the comments you made.
- kirillkh 9y agoI hope my calls for pluralism didn't hurt your feelings. If they did, I sincerely apologize.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> What does inclusivity have to do with Mozilla's core business Irrelevant - it's a stated organisational value. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Diversity_and_Inclusion_Strategy https://wiki.mozilla.org/Diversity_and_Inclusion_Strategy > Can any organization declare inclusivity as one of its core values Yep. > and start enforcing it by firing every person in position of power who holds an exclusionary view on any subject? In the US, probably, although it may depend on which state and precisely which exclusionary views are in play. In the UK, maybe, depending on what those exclusionary views are. > But by that logic, you hold an exclusionary view I do, yes. Well done! I hold many exclusionary views but they are all targeted at people who people who want to exclude or hurt others for what I consider bullshit reasons. > "All must prove their purity and loyalty or be excommunicated." Nonsense. > You don't want to be discriminated based on your opinions I am 100% behind discriminating against people who hold opinions that another class of person is lesser than them.
- kirillkh 9y agoNot everyone who opposes gay marriage thinks of gays as lesser than them. Some oppose it for religious reasons, for example. Also, what about views on other exclusionary policies? Wherever you live, I'm sure many people in your country think that no foreigners have an inherent right to gain citizenship and residence in your country. Perhaps even you feel that way. This is an exclusionary view and therefore should be punished by prohibiting those people from holding positions of power... right? Besides, you are still missing the main point. Discriminating against people for their opinions is nonconstructive - by excluding them from dialog, oppressing them in daily lives and proudly putting your intolerance to their views on display, you just make them angry and more entrenched. That kind of demonization might feel really nice (when you're on the giving end of the stick), but it works against liberal values in the long run. Where do you think Trump and Brexit came from?
- zimpenfish 9y ago> Discriminating against people for their opinions is nonconstructive No, it is the correct way to handle the intolerant. > should be punished by prohibiting those people from holding positions of power... right? I would be fine with that. And then you'll say "Oh but then you must agree that you must accept all immigrants!" because apparently it's all or nothing, no nuance at all. > you just make them angry and more entrenched I honestly don't care if they're angry and entrenched - whilst they advocate beliefs that treat others as lesser, they should be denied a platform. > Where do you think Trump came from? Massive GOP gerrymandering and voting restrictions to disenfranchise Democrats coupled with a broken electoral system that overly favours the (racist) Southern states all helped along by massive foreign government interference in the process tied to an idiotic media who suffered mass Clinton derangement and a late shiv from an idiot in the FBI. Brexit only had the corrupting interference, to be fair.