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nnfy 9y ago
Are you familiar with the concept of regulatory capture and how expanding the laws of a government which has been captured destroys competition, creates artificial barriers to market entry, and enables dangerous abuse of power? Do you really want a guy like Pai to have his powers expanded? Why won't anyone actually answer any of my questions? Especially if the answers are so obvious. Try starting an ISP, or go read about how it is nearly impossible to enter the market and compete with the likes of Comcast et all because of regulations. These are companies with ~50% approval ratings, ripe for disruption, and we are stuck with them because of regulations. The principle of net neutrality makes sense, but I have yet to see anyone attempt to convince me that there isn't some danger to at least consider in this implementation.
- mattnewton 9y ago
  I am bothered by it, but I don’t think lack of regulation is going to fix the issue, because an ISP is a natural monopoly. The rights they have acquired from the government and from the private sector to lay all those wires provide too big a hurdle in the absence of regulation, and passing laws to make to easier to lay wires for competition would have to have all sorts of negative externalities for property owners and cities, not to mention the inefficiency of building the infrastructure twice. So that leaves regulating the current ISPs as a public utility, like is done successfully in much of the world, or leaving the market in the hands of monopolists.
  - Sacho 9y ago
    I think one overlooked factor here is the next move for companies should Net Neutrality remain in force. Reading the Telco act that NN is based on, it allows the FCC to decide which ISPs to be burdened with the regulation(the intention being that small ISPs aren't affected). The next natural move for ISPs would be to lobby that their competitors are regulated but they are not. Since clearly ISPs have a strong lobby arm, wouldn't this be a great tool to use to essentially end any competition among ISPs? It'd be very much MAD - don't infringe on our turf or we will start a NN war with you. I think that's one of the unintended consequences of NN. They'll have even less incentive to improve their current offerings, which I don't think many people are satisfied by. Will the end goal here be to essentially nationalize ISPs?
    - mattnewton 9y ago
      There are so few competitors making it already that ISP’s clearly have sufficient tools to bully the smaller players out of buisiness currently, and there aren’t any tools for government officials to stop them. I don’t know enough about how infrastructure fairs when it is nationalized but besides that being a dirty word in American politics I’m not apposed on priciniple. My cursory understanding is that it seems to work for other nations, and since I already have to treat anything I send my ISP as sent to the NSA as well I’m not sure what I would be giving up.

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nnfy 9y ago

Are you familiar with the concept of regulatory capture and how expanding the laws of a government which has been captured destroys competition, creates artificial barriers to market entry, and enables dangerous abuse of power? Do you really want a guy like Pai to have his powers expanded? Why won't anyone actually answer any of my questions? Especially if the answers are so obvious. Try starting an ISP, or go read about how it is nearly impossible to enter the market and compete with the likes of Comcast et all because of regulations. These are companies with ~50% approval ratings, ripe for disruption, and we are stuck with them because of regulations. The principle of net neutrality makes sense, but I have yet to see anyone attempt to convince me that there isn't some danger to at least consider in this implementation.

mattnewton 9y ago
I am bothered by it, but I don’t think lack of regulation is going to fix the issue, because an ISP is a natural monopoly. The rights they have acquired from the government and from the private sector to lay all those wires provide too big a hurdle in the absence of regulation, and passing laws to make to easier to lay wires for competition would have to have all sorts of negative externalities for property owners and cities, not to mention the inefficiency of building the infrastructure twice. So that leaves regulating the current ISPs as a public utility, like is done successfully in much of the world, or leaving the market in the hands of monopolists.
- Sacho 9y ago
  I think one overlooked factor here is the next move for companies should Net Neutrality remain in force. Reading the Telco act that NN is based on, it allows the FCC to decide which ISPs to be burdened with the regulation(the intention being that small ISPs aren't affected). The next natural move for ISPs would be to lobby that their competitors are regulated but they are not. Since clearly ISPs have a strong lobby arm, wouldn't this be a great tool to use to essentially end any competition among ISPs? It'd be very much MAD - don't infringe on our turf or we will start a NN war with you. I think that's one of the unintended consequences of NN. They'll have even less incentive to improve their current offerings, which I don't think many people are satisfied by. Will the end goal here be to essentially nationalize ISPs?
  - mattnewton 9y ago
    There are so few competitors making it already that ISP’s clearly have sufficient tools to bully the smaller players out of buisiness currently, and there aren’t any tools for government officials to stop them. I don’t know enough about how infrastructure fairs when it is nationalized but besides that being a dirty word in American politics I’m not apposed on priciniple. My cursory understanding is that it seems to work for other nations, and since I already have to treat anything I send my ISP as sent to the NSA as well I’m not sure what I would be giving up.