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Mozilla isn't neutral politically, though there isn't a specific political alignment that is endorsed. That is, it's issue-focused, rather than partisan. We ha

Mozilla isn't neutral politically, though there isn't a specific political alignment that is endorsed. That is, it's issue-focused, rather than partisan. We have a strongly-worded manifesto that lays out what we believe: https://www.mozilla.org/about/manifesto/ https://www.mozilla.org/about/manifesto/ Mitchell Baker, the chairwoman of the Mozilla Foundation, talking about how the current political environment in America might overlay that manifesto: https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2017/03/13/the-worldview-of-mozilla/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2017/03/13/the-worldview-of-... I'm an employee at Mozilla, though am trying to set personal politics aside to present public explanation of our institutional viewpoint.

sandov 9y ago
Maybe I didn't word my comment correctly. But I thought of politically neutral as not left-wing nor right-wing, not openly supporting capitalism nor being openly against capitalism. I wouldn't be surprised by Mozilla pushing privacy, free speech and copyright related political agendas, but I am surprised by it supporting a left wing organization.
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- kirillkh 9y ago
  There is nothing new in Mozilla's leftist political stance, unfortunately. Remember what happened to Brendan Eich, former Mozilla's CEO? Back in 2014 he was forced to resign (and Mozilla was quoted to "believe it should have acted faster") over the fact that he donated $1000 to a campaign against gay marriage in California in 2008. The self-proclaimed liberals ousted him for holding a political opinion, nothing else. And no, he didn't write a memo about it, he just donated the money, that's it. When you recall that story, there is no wonder whatsoever that Mozilla feels great about having a political agenda and pushing it down its users' throats. Now don't get me wrong, I love what Mozilla stands for in the software world and I respect their achievements. But why do they have to be so politically biased?
  - SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
    The attitude that Mozilla espouses (and they're not alone in it) is what's kept me from donating to them -- either in time/code or money. I don't want my activism on one set of issues co-opted to bolster other people's activism on completely unrelated topics. Mozilla insists on doing that; I won't be part of it. (And I encourage others to avoid that kind of extremist partisanship.)
  - confounded 9y ago
    "Mozilla" isn't a man in a room smoking a cigar, it's a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco. If a leader does anything to lose a consensus of respect from their workers (and ultimately authority over them) the long term productivity of the organization is imperiled. Firing everyone except the leader isn't going to be a good option. Politics is a contentious issue, no matter how much people wish it wasn't. Involvement in it makes you polarizing, whether you like it or not. Do I believe in marriage equality? Absolutely, yes. Am I personally outraged that Eich donated that money? Not at all. Is it reasonable for him to expect to maintain authority and influence over a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco, after publicly (though perhaps inadvertently so) working against marriage equality? Of course not. Morals aside, it's a low probability outcome.
    - flukus 9y ago
      > If a leader does anything to lose a consensus of respect from their workers (and ultimately authority over them) the long term productivity of the organization is imperiled. So the leader has to go because employees can't separate work life from home life? Usually it's the other way around with companies being to over bearing of en employees private life. > Is it reasonable for him to expect to maintain authority over a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco, after publicly (though perhaps inadvertently so) working against marriage equality? Of course not. Morals aside, it's unrealistic proposition. Yes, because his opinion on gay marriage is irrelevant to his work as a CEO, just as my activities on the weekend should have no bearing on my job.
- confounded 9y ago
  Mozilla certainly do lots of things to support capitalism, too.
smegel 9y ago
> 05 Individuals must have the ability to shape the Internet and their own experiences on it. Try and stop HTML5 video from autoplaying. Try walking the talk for once.
- greedy_buffer 9y ago
  about:config -> media.autoplay.enabled Some sites are buggy with this preference. Hopefully you will not lay that at Mozilla's feet.
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dbcooper 9y ago
What part of Mozilla's manifesto supports revolutionary socialism?
HalfwayToDice 9y ago
The company you work for is funding a group of radical-extremists who are agitating for worldwide revolution against capitalism, in other words revolution in almost every country on earth. It is your moral choice to work for a company that indulges in such abhorant practices.
markdog12 9y ago
> though there isn't a specific political alignment that is endorsed. After browsing RiseUp's site, you would certainly think otherwise.

sandov 9y ago

Maybe I didn't word my comment correctly. But I thought of politically neutral as not left-wing nor right-wing, not openly supporting capitalism nor being openly against capitalism. I wouldn't be surprised by Mozilla pushing privacy, free speech and copyright related political agendas, but I am surprised by it supporting a left wing organization.

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kirillkh 9y ago
There is nothing new in Mozilla's leftist political stance, unfortunately. Remember what happened to Brendan Eich, former Mozilla's CEO? Back in 2014 he was forced to resign (and Mozilla was quoted to "believe it should have acted faster") over the fact that he donated $1000 to a campaign against gay marriage in California in 2008. The self-proclaimed liberals ousted him for holding a political opinion, nothing else. And no, he didn't write a memo about it, he just donated the money, that's it. When you recall that story, there is no wonder whatsoever that Mozilla feels great about having a political agenda and pushing it down its users' throats. Now don't get me wrong, I love what Mozilla stands for in the software world and I respect their achievements. But why do they have to be so politically biased?
- SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
  The attitude that Mozilla espouses (and they're not alone in it) is what's kept me from donating to them -- either in time/code or money. I don't want my activism on one set of issues co-opted to bolster other people's activism on completely unrelated topics. Mozilla insists on doing that; I won't be part of it. (And I encourage others to avoid that kind of extremist partisanship.)
- confounded 9y ago
  "Mozilla" isn't a man in a room smoking a cigar, it's a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco. If a leader does anything to lose a consensus of respect from their workers (and ultimately authority over them) the long term productivity of the organization is imperiled. Firing everyone except the leader isn't going to be a good option. Politics is a contentious issue, no matter how much people wish it wasn't. Involvement in it makes you polarizing, whether you like it or not. Do I believe in marriage equality? Absolutely, yes. Am I personally outraged that Eich donated that money? Not at all. Is it reasonable for him to expect to maintain authority and influence over a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco, after publicly (though perhaps inadvertently so) working against marriage equality? Of course not. Morals aside, it's a low probability outcome.
  - flukus 9y ago
    > If a leader does anything to lose a consensus of respect from their workers (and ultimately authority over them) the long term productivity of the organization is imperiled. So the leader has to go because employees can't separate work life from home life? Usually it's the other way around with companies being to over bearing of en employees private life. > Is it reasonable for him to expect to maintain authority over a building full of relatively young and well-educated people, in San Francisco, after publicly (though perhaps inadvertently so) working against marriage equality? Of course not. Morals aside, it's unrealistic proposition. Yes, because his opinion on gay marriage is irrelevant to his work as a CEO, just as my activities on the weekend should have no bearing on my job.
confounded 9y ago
Mozilla certainly do lots of things to support capitalism, too.

smegel 9y ago

> 05 Individuals must have the ability to shape the Internet and their own experiences on it. Try and stop HTML5 video from autoplaying. Try walking the talk for once.

greedy_buffer 9y ago
about:config -> media.autoplay.enabled Some sites are buggy with this preference. Hopefully you will not lay that at Mozilla's feet.
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dbcooper 9y ago

What part of Mozilla's manifesto supports revolutionary socialism?

HalfwayToDice 9y ago

The company you work for is funding a group of radical-extremists who are agitating for worldwide revolution against capitalism, in other words revolution in almost every country on earth. It is your moral choice to work for a company that indulges in such abhorant practices.

markdog12 9y ago

> though there isn't a specific political alignment that is endorsed. After browsing RiseUp's site, you would certainly think otherwise.