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> My personal data is an asset. And it belongs to me. > Anyone who has my data for any purpose owes me my cut. It's well established in the US that you do not

by dpark 9y ago

> My personal data is an asset. And it belongs to me. > Anyone who has my data for any purpose owes me my cut. It's well established in the US that you do not in fact own your data. You don't own your school records or employment records. You don't own your medical records or your credit records. In general the best you have is a right to view those records and that's only in certain cases.

specialist 9y ago
Because Freedom Markets™?
- dpark 9y ago
  Pretty sure it's the same across the world, really. Try getting your medical records expunged in Cuba or your search records expunged in China. I bet you have the same success as in the US.
  - mkempe 9y ago
    Maybe you should look at free people in mostly free countries, instead of dictatorships. For instance, the EU and Switzerland.
    - dpark 9y ago
      Have you successfully gotten Google or Facebook or your doctor to purge your records in Switzerland?
      - specialist 9y ago
        Are you suggesting some corporations have become more powerful than our lawfully elected governments?
        dpark 9y ago
        I’m suggesting that “data about you” is not the same as “your data” and never has been.
        specialist 9y ago
        I honestly don't know how to distinguish between "me" and "about me". These discussions always go full meta. Makes my head hurt. Being a simple bear, I try to distill these paradoxes (freewill, love, death, what is art) down to something actionable. Hence my conclusion, after much thought and effort (eg securing medical records), that "I am my data, my data is me." and therefore I own it. If privacy is the ability to control what is publicly known about yourself, the best (practical, prescriptive) way I can think to do that is via property rights. --- I appreciate your reply. I'm going to revisit my beliefs, conclusions. Starting with the currently generally accepted definitions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentication
        dpark 9y ago
        > I honestly don't know how to distinguish between "me" and "about me". > These discussions always go full meta. Makes my head hurt. You go to the store to buy a carton of eggs. The store now has data about you and your purchase. If you pay with credit card, they have a record tied to your identity. If you pay with cash, they still have a record of what you bought with your eggs, and nothing stops them from scribbling your name on the copy of the receipt they keep. You have no right to demand that the store cease possession of this data. They might use this data (in aggregate) to determine when they need to restock eggs. They might use this data (along with other purchase records) to determine that butter should be stocked next to the eggs. They might discard this data as soon as books are reconciled or they might retain this data in perpetuity. This was the case is 1920 and it's the case now. We like to talk about "big data" as if it changed the fundamentals, but all it actually changed was the scale.

by dpark 9y ago

specialist 9y ago

Because Freedom Markets™?

dpark 9y ago
Pretty sure it's the same across the world, really. Try getting your medical records expunged in Cuba or your search records expunged in China. I bet you have the same success as in the US.
- mkempe 9y ago
  Maybe you should look at free people in mostly free countries, instead of dictatorships. For instance, the EU and Switzerland.
  - dpark 9y ago
    Have you successfully gotten Google or Facebook or your doctor to purge your records in Switzerland?
    - specialist 9y ago
      Are you suggesting some corporations have become more powerful than our lawfully elected governments?
      - dpark 9y ago
        I’m suggesting that “data about you” is not the same as “your data” and never has been.
        specialist 9y ago
        I honestly don't know how to distinguish between "me" and "about me". These discussions always go full meta. Makes my head hurt. Being a simple bear, I try to distill these paradoxes (freewill, love, death, what is art) down to something actionable. Hence my conclusion, after much thought and effort (eg securing medical records), that "I am my data, my data is me." and therefore I own it. If privacy is the ability to control what is publicly known about yourself, the best (practical, prescriptive) way I can think to do that is via property rights. --- I appreciate your reply. I'm going to revisit my beliefs, conclusions. Starting with the currently generally accepted definitions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authentication
        dpark 9y ago
        > I honestly don't know how to distinguish between "me" and "about me". > These discussions always go full meta. Makes my head hurt. You go to the store to buy a carton of eggs. The store now has data about you and your purchase. If you pay with credit card, they have a record tied to your identity. If you pay with cash, they still have a record of what you bought with your eggs, and nothing stops them from scribbling your name on the copy of the receipt they keep. You have no right to demand that the store cease possession of this data. They might use this data (in aggregate) to determine when they need to restock eggs. They might use this data (along with other purchase records) to determine that butter should be stocked next to the eggs. They might discard this data as soon as books are reconciled or they might retain this data in perpetuity. This was the case is 1920 and it's the case now. We like to talk about "big data" as if it changed the fundamentals, but all it actually changed was the scale.