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This is totally disingenuous. You want an exact legal definition of what an assault rifle is, and then you'll just come up with a gun that does the thing that
by throwaway97991 9y ago
This is totally disingenuous. You want an exact legal definition of what an assault rifle is, and then you'll just come up with a gun that does the thing that the government is trying to prohibit in a slightly different way. That's exactly what the article is about. We prohibited automatic weapons, and so people come out with cranks and bump fire stocks that allow for automatic fire without violating the legal definition of more than one bullet per trigger pull.
I bet you know the history of assault weapons, but for those that don't, it makes this all understandable. In WWII, Germany's infantry primarily carried Mauser rifles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k) These were bolt action, meaning you had to pull the bolt back and forth between each shot. It shoots a high powered round, and it has a reasonably long barrel, which means that it can be accurate and deadly from a few hundred meters, but it also means that it has a fair bit of recoil. It has a ten round magazine, which is somewhat cumbersome to reload. This type of rifle works fine for hunting, and for firing from one trench to another or across an open field.
When Germany found itself doing a lot of house to house fighting with the Russians, this was not a suitable weapon. These firefights tended to be over very quickly and at very close range. There wasn't time to aim, and often soldiers shot from the hip while advancing. What was needed was a weapon that was fully automatic, handy, with a short barrel, fireable from the hip, with a large ammunition capacity and quick to reload with not too much recoil. The result was this: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_40 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_40), a submachine gun.
Later, the Germans realized that although the MP40 was great for house to house fighting, for longer range engagements, it wasn't accurate enough for longer ranged engagements. They needed a compromise weapon: The StG 44 (Assault Rifle 44). The StG 44 had an intermediate power round and a medium length barrel to not create too much recoil, and be easy enough to handle close in, but have enough power and accuracy to fight at medium distances. It could fire either in semiautomatic or fully automatic mode, fully automatic for a close assault, and semi for long range accurate shooting. It had a pistol grip so that it could be fired from the hip, and an easily changeable 30 round box magazine, so that it could be reloaded quickly in a fast firefight. The AR-15/M16, AK47, and virtually all general purpose military rifles from the second half of the 20th century follow this basic concept.
This is all to say, that the basic design concepts of the assault rifle, intermediate power cartridge, selectable semi/fully auto fire, medium length barrel, pistol grip, and detachable, high capacity box magazine, make this a weapon designed for war. You can argue until you're blue in the face that none of these "evil features" make it any different than a bolt action hunting rifle, but they all exist to make it more suitable as a weapon of war, and you know it.
The very same features that make it useful for soldiers to kill enemy soldiers make it more lethal in the hands of a mass shooter. The pistol grip makes it easier to shoot on the move or from the hip. The high capacity box magazine gives a lot of firepower without reloading, and makes reloading fast. The less than full power cartridge makes rapid fire (semi or full auto) more manageable, and the medium length barrel makes it accurate at medium distance while not being unwieldy in close quarters. You can't tell me that what happened Sunday, or what happened in any of the recent mass shootings would have been any where near as deadly if the shooter had showed up with a Remington 700.
- ThrustVectoring 9y ago>This is totally disingenuous. You want an exact legal definition of what an assault rifle is, and then you'll just come up with a gun that does the thing that the government is trying to prohibit in a slightly different way. This is how laws work. If you want to put limits on what weapons are legal, you have to specify what those limits are. I mean, you could give broad intent-based discretion to the ATF, but that means that people don't know what is and isn't allowed and have to go through lots of uncertainty and risk when it comes to owning guns. Of course people want to make the laws clear, specific, and consistent. You wouldn't want a "don't let people get high" intent-based law when it comes to drugs. It would mean that you wouldn't know whether the antihistamines in your medicine cabinet will get you into legal trouble. Complicating things is the bona-fide economic pressure to do things within the limits set. Guns that are better for mass murder are often better for legitimate purposes such as sport, hunting, shooting for fun, or home defense.
- cameldrv 9y agoWell, there are a lot of reasons people buy guns. Men like to play with powerful, dangerous things, c.f. chainsaws, sports cars, etc. All well and good, count me among them. One indicator of a powerful dangerous thing is it being used by the military. Some of the very richest people in the world own things like decommissioned fighter jets. All of this is good fun as long as we're just blasting flowerpots at the range. We live in a confusing world, where killing, especially mass murder is prohibited, and we will give you our harshest punishment for it, unless it's in the context of a war, in which case we will give you a medal and call you a hero for it. All of this is to say that people want to own the closest thing to a military assault rifle that they can. You saw in the 1994 assault weapons ban, and in the various California assault weapons laws, that entrepreneurs will come up with ingenious ways to obey the letter of the law while circumventing the spirit of it. I do support an assault weapons ban. I don't like the idea of a bureaucrat deciding whether something falls under the intent of a law, but I don't see a great alternative given all the water under the bridge on workarounds for gun laws. The intent should be this: discourage/restrict guns that are not relatively better for sporting or defensive purposes, but are relatively better for offensive, murderous purposes. Magazine capacity limits for sure, and maybe restrictions on detachable box magazines should be considered. In a mass shooting scenario, where one person is armed, and everyone else is unarmed, we want to give the unarmed as many chances as possible, and for as long a duration as possible, to disarm the shooter. Any sort of mod that enables the weapon to shoot more than about 1-2 rounds per second is obviously unnecessary for sporting purposes and dangerous for a mass shooter with a high capacity mag. Pistol grips I'm neutral on, although I don't see a sporting purpose, and they do certainly help with control of a weapon in combat. Intermediate caliber cartridges don't seem to have a sporting purpose, and they are good for mass shootings. I'd be inclined to restrict them, perhaps allowing a pistol grip or intermediate caliber but not both in one weapon.