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I am no so keen on the government issuing us other numbers either, but there has got to be a better way. As for UUID, so now I need to remember a 64 character

I am no so keen on the government issuing us other numbers either, but there has got to be a better way. As for UUID, so now I need to remember a 64 character UUID?

bitwize 9y ago
Just have your Urbit planet ID be your ID. So, for you, something like yam-fus-kon-gir-lil-zoq-fot-pik-top-kek. Donald Trump gets don-tum.
mtmail 9y ago
Does the identifier need to be rememberable? I don't know my national id or passport number.
- rabidrat 9y ago
  Yes, it needs to be rememberable by the owner. This is non-negotiable.
zbobet2012 9y ago
Here's a UUID you could probably remember "officer tell 8 apart country press spring % circus".
- QAPereo 9y ago
  Most of us here could, but prepare to be shocked st how much of the general public couldn’t or wouldn’t.
snuxoll 9y ago
A UUID would be just as bad at the end of the day and be more of a pain in the butt. There's nothing necessarily wrong with having a short-ish identifier, like what we already have on state-issued ID's for referencing a certain individual - but ideally we should move on from this number being a password to being equivalent to a actual identifier. Smart cards are ubiquitous these days (you probably have one in your wallet, assuming you have a debit or credit card on you) - that identifier should be associated a public key and your ID card holds the private key, if your card is stolen the key is revoked and a new one issued.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  Homeless people have SSNs, too, and likely aren't carrying around wallets.
  - snuxoll 9y ago
    Not to dismiss the point entirely, but this is still an edge case - and one that doesn't justify the continued use of an identifier as a password. People on HN make jabs at things like fingerprint / facial recognition as passwords all the time, but if you have something you need to keep private it's easy to forgo them and use a proper password instead (even if it's more inconvenient). Even if we replace SSN's with a 1024-character identifier leaks will still happen, because we continue to use the wrong tool for the job - leaving us no better off and just more inconvenienced. We need a national ID system, ID numbers need to be no more than identifiers, if you need to validate your identity proper two-factor authentication - possession of your national ID card with your private key, and a password only you know - is the only safe way to do so.
    - BatFastard 9y ago
      I know that SS is not a national ID, but it effectively is. But its an ID with no password, someone thought this was a good idea?
      - s73ver_ 9y ago
        They thought, "Hey, we need an ID number for this national social insurance program." Then later, someone else thought, "Hey, I need an identifier to check this person's Identity. Oh, they have a taxpayer ID number. I'll use that." And it just kind of piled on and on and on.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      Homeless people are not an edge case.
      - 9y ago

I am no so keen on the government issuing us other numbers either, but there has got to be a better way. As for UUID, so now I need to remember a 64 character UUID?

bitwize 9y ago

Just have your Urbit planet ID be your ID. So, for you, something like yam-fus-kon-gir-lil-zoq-fot-pik-top-kek. Donald Trump gets don-tum.

mtmail 9y ago

Does the identifier need to be rememberable? I don't know my national id or passport number.

rabidrat 9y ago
Yes, it needs to be rememberable by the owner. This is non-negotiable.

zbobet2012 9y ago

Here's a UUID you could probably remember "officer tell 8 apart country press spring % circus".

QAPereo 9y ago
Most of us here could, but prepare to be shocked st how much of the general public couldn’t or wouldn’t.

snuxoll 9y ago

A UUID would be just as bad at the end of the day and be more of a pain in the butt. There's nothing necessarily wrong with having a short-ish identifier, like what we already have on state-issued ID's for referencing a certain individual - but ideally we should move on from this number being a password to being equivalent to a actual identifier. Smart cards are ubiquitous these days (you probably have one in your wallet, assuming you have a debit or credit card on you) - that identifier should be associated a public key and your ID card holds the private key, if your card is stolen the key is revoked and a new one issued.

s73ver_ 9y ago
Homeless people have SSNs, too, and likely aren't carrying around wallets.
- snuxoll 9y ago
  Not to dismiss the point entirely, but this is still an edge case - and one that doesn't justify the continued use of an identifier as a password. People on HN make jabs at things like fingerprint / facial recognition as passwords all the time, but if you have something you need to keep private it's easy to forgo them and use a proper password instead (even if it's more inconvenient). Even if we replace SSN's with a 1024-character identifier leaks will still happen, because we continue to use the wrong tool for the job - leaving us no better off and just more inconvenienced. We need a national ID system, ID numbers need to be no more than identifiers, if you need to validate your identity proper two-factor authentication - possession of your national ID card with your private key, and a password only you know - is the only safe way to do so.
  - BatFastard 9y ago
    I know that SS is not a national ID, but it effectively is. But its an ID with no password, someone thought this was a good idea?
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      They thought, "Hey, we need an ID number for this national social insurance program." Then later, someone else thought, "Hey, I need an identifier to check this person's Identity. Oh, they have a taxpayer ID number. I'll use that." And it just kind of piled on and on and on.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    Homeless people are not an edge case.
    - 9y ago