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What about those who do not own a mobile device, or those not comfortable with technology. We live in a large country, and we must have support for ALL of our c

What about those who do not own a mobile device, or those not comfortable with technology. We live in a large country, and we must have support for ALL of our citizens, not just our younger tech-savy ones. Go to a community of 65+ year olds and explain this to them. You'll get back blank stares. its a non starter.

anindha 9y ago
Make it opt-in. Anyone who isn’t comfortable with the change can continue to use their SSN.
- Godel_unicode 9y ago
  Every business will then continue to just use social security numbers since everyone is guaranteed to have one. Half measures won't work, that's how we got here in the first place.
  - anindha 9y ago
    Opt-in for the customer not the business.
    - Godel_unicode 9y ago
      I got that. So everyone will have a SSN and only some people will have the new thing. My point stands. We have lots of evidence in security that this type of suggestion leads to problems, see for example export-grade crypto.
test6554 9y ago
Start the conversation with "Have you or a loved one ever experienced identity theft?" "How long did it take to get things fixed?" "Since your social security number never actually changed, what's to stop you from having new issues 5 or 10 years from now?" "The cost of a pay-as-you-go phone can be less than the cost of "Identity theft protection" If that doesn't work, let them opt out.
pdkl95 9y ago
> not just younger tech-savy ,,, 65+ year olds > those not comfortable with technology Or those of us that are comfortable with technology refuse to carry tracking devices in this post-Snowden world. The internet is already creating far too many interdependencies that will have unforeseen consequences and create the risk of cascade failure. I strongly recommend to anyone that wants to tie something as important as government services to the internet that they listen to Dan Geer's recent-ish talk[1][2], and maybe reconsider the kind of future they are trying to create. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcIiD4UUDE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcIiD4UUDE8 [2] http://geer.tinho.net/geer.source.27iv17.txt http://geer.tinho.net/geer.source.27iv17.txt

anindha 9y ago

Make it opt-in. Anyone who isn’t comfortable with the change can continue to use their SSN.

Godel_unicode 9y ago
Every business will then continue to just use social security numbers since everyone is guaranteed to have one. Half measures won't work, that's how we got here in the first place.
- anindha 9y ago
  Opt-in for the customer not the business.
  - Godel_unicode 9y ago
    I got that. So everyone will have a SSN and only some people will have the new thing. My point stands. We have lots of evidence in security that this type of suggestion leads to problems, see for example export-grade crypto.

test6554 9y ago

Start the conversation with "Have you or a loved one ever experienced identity theft?" "How long did it take to get things fixed?" "Since your social security number never actually changed, what's to stop you from having new issues 5 or 10 years from now?" "The cost of a pay-as-you-go phone can be less than the cost of "Identity theft protection" If that doesn't work, let them opt out.

pdkl95 9y ago

> not just younger tech-savy ,,, 65+ year olds > those not comfortable with technology Or those of us that are comfortable with technology refuse to carry tracking devices in this post-Snowden world. The internet is already creating far too many interdependencies that will have unforeseen consequences and create the risk of cascade failure. I strongly recommend to anyone that wants to tie something as important as government services to the internet that they listen to Dan Geer's recent-ish talk[1][2], and maybe reconsider the kind of future they are trying to create. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcIiD4UUDE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcIiD4UUDE8 [2] http://geer.tinho.net/geer.source.27iv17.txt http://geer.tinho.net/geer.source.27iv17.txt