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The right answer to those failures should never be murder. The right answer to those failures is to pressure the system to change, as this newspaper article is

The right answer to those failures should never be murder. The right answer to those failures is to pressure the system to change, as this newspaper article is helping to do.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
> The right answer to those failures should never be murder. I agree. In this particular case though, I wouldn't blame the victim if they'd consider kneecapping a proportionate response. Preying on the weak like that is deeply, deeply subhuman.
FussyZeus 9y ago
If this sort of thing was tried before a court system, the person would've ended up in a hole. That's why we created a justice system, because that mode of justice is not a good thing. The justice system failed them, so logically, they'd be forced to go back to putting people in holes.
lovich 9y ago
Not for nothing, but the US was founded on the basis that violence is just in the face of an unjust government. We can't idolize the Revolutionary War, and then turn around and tell people they should always follow the law no matter what. If we are going to assume that the government is always right and there is no reason for violence ever, then we should just do away with the second amendment. I dont think that amendment is super useful in the age of tanks, jets and nukes, but the idea of violent revolt against unjust rule is still there
lightedman 9y ago
"The right answer to those failures should never be murder." Many many years ago, a jury in Tennessee disagreed with your first claim, and literally took the law into their own hands in the courtroom against the government as they watched a persons rights get wholesale violated. That jury was flat-out exonerated IIRC. So there's legal precedent against your first claim and a good inherent pressure for your second claim. People would be far less likely to violate the law so egregiously if they knew that people could just kill them and walk away without a second thought of jail time.

The right answer to those failures should never be murder. The right answer to those failures is to pressure the system to change, as this newspaper article is helping to do.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

> The right answer to those failures should never be murder. I agree. In this particular case though, I wouldn't blame the victim if they'd consider kneecapping a proportionate response. Preying on the weak like that is deeply, deeply subhuman.

FussyZeus 9y ago

If this sort of thing was tried before a court system, the person would've ended up in a hole. That's why we created a justice system, because that mode of justice is not a good thing. The justice system failed them, so logically, they'd be forced to go back to putting people in holes.

lovich 9y ago

Not for nothing, but the US was founded on the basis that violence is just in the face of an unjust government. We can't idolize the Revolutionary War, and then turn around and tell people they should always follow the law no matter what. If we are going to assume that the government is always right and there is no reason for violence ever, then we should just do away with the second amendment. I dont think that amendment is super useful in the age of tanks, jets and nukes, but the idea of violent revolt against unjust rule is still there

lightedman 9y ago

"The right answer to those failures should never be murder." Many many years ago, a jury in Tennessee disagreed with your first claim, and literally took the law into their own hands in the courtroom against the government as they watched a persons rights get wholesale violated. That jury was flat-out exonerated IIRC. So there's legal precedent against your first claim and a good inherent pressure for your second claim. People would be far less likely to violate the law so egregiously if they knew that people could just kill them and walk away without a second thought of jail time.