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I’m still looking for a product that provides firebase-levels of ease of getting up and running (no API to design, rule-based authentication, etc) , but runs on

by hmexx 9y ago

I’m still looking for a product that provides firebase-levels of ease of getting up and running (no API to design, rule-based authentication, etc) , but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS. Someone tell me they’ve found the holy grail?!

joking 9y ago
You can use Apache usergrid or the open source version of parse for example.
- hmexx 9y ago
  I believe usergrid runs off of Cassandra and Parse runs off another NoSQL DB. Maybe Mongo?
  - jamesjyu 9y ago
    Yep, Parse runs on Mongo.
jkarneges 9y ago
If such a project were based on top of an RDBMS, would you still expect a document/KV-oriented API, or one more SQL-ish?
- hmexx 9y ago
  Honestly I don't mind. A document API with a little manipulation on the front-end would be fine, as long as the back-end has some way of running through the relations. A SQL-ish API might even be better, although I can see some pitfalls. Maybe base it on GraphQL as a compromise? Either way, I'd love to have something like this.
bryanlarsen 9y ago
horizon.io seemed to be a promising entry, but unlike RethinkDB the database, this project appears to have died with Rethink the company.
react4 9y ago
We offer this at appbase.io, it runs on top of Elasticsearch (no vendor lock-in) and a cloud native version that you can run anywhere is now available in preview at https://store.docker.com/images/appbaseio https://store.docker.com/images/appbaseio.
pcnix 9y ago
You should check out Hasura (https://hasura.io/ https://hasura.io/)! It is exactly what you're asking about. Disclaimer: I work at Hasura. Feel free to ask me anything you want to know about.
- hmexx 9y ago
  Woooo.. Interesting. I'm going to download it now and give it a whirl. Will get back to you with feedback (if you're interested).
- hmexx 9y ago
  FYI, I couldn't even get it running because "hasuractl.exe local start" is not a valid command with the version of hasuractl (0.1.12) you have available for windows on this page: https://docs.hasura.io/0.14/ref/cli/hasuractl.html https://docs.hasura.io/0.14/ref/cli/hasuractl.html :(
  - alberteinstein 9y ago
    Sorry about that, we have deprecated local feature, but yeah docs lag behind. Please login to https://dashboard.hasura.io https://dashboard.hasura.io and create a free trial project.
    - marksomnian 9y ago
      "but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS" "exactly what you're asking about" "deprecated local feature" Eh?
      - hmexx 9y ago
        yeah. The search continues. the following 3 have some potential: https://feathersjs.com/and https://feathersjs.com/and postgraphile https://postgrest.com/en/v4.3/ https://postgrest.com/en/v4.3/ https://www.npmjs.com/package/postgraphile https://www.npmjs.com/package/postgraphile
marknadal 9y ago
We're a popular alternative, https://github.com/amark/gun https://github.com/amark/gun Some cool differences: - MIT/ZLIB/Apache2 licensed. - Graph data structures (document, key value, tables, relations, and more!) - Decentralized like IPFS! - Alpha prototype for end-to-end encryption and user authentication / permissions security. And a bunch more :).
yasserf 9y ago
Deepstream.io is a cloud platform and opensource real-time server that provides rule based permissions, authentication and a real-time data store that can be plugged into different any database (we use Postgres under the hood for the cloud). It provides the same name document/collection concepts, but search abilities are still under development. Side note, Im one of the cofounders :D Generally this move by Firebase makes a lot of sense! Building large real-time apps usually requires smaller documents or else things get super odd at scale.
arve0 9y ago
FeathersJS provides a layer between your database (RDBMS, NoSQL, ..) and your client, which gives you similar functionality as firebase. https://feathersjs.com https://feathersjs.com Edit: Minus rule based auth.

by hmexx 9y ago

joking 9y ago

You can use Apache usergrid or the open source version of parse for example.

hmexx 9y ago
I believe usergrid runs off of Cassandra and Parse runs off another NoSQL DB. Maybe Mongo?
- jamesjyu 9y ago
  Yep, Parse runs on Mongo.

jkarneges 9y ago

If such a project were based on top of an RDBMS, would you still expect a document/KV-oriented API, or one more SQL-ish?

hmexx 9y ago
Honestly I don't mind. A document API with a little manipulation on the front-end would be fine, as long as the back-end has some way of running through the relations. A SQL-ish API might even be better, although I can see some pitfalls. Maybe base it on GraphQL as a compromise? Either way, I'd love to have something like this.

bryanlarsen 9y ago

horizon.io seemed to be a promising entry, but unlike RethinkDB the database, this project appears to have died with Rethink the company.

react4 9y ago

We offer this at appbase.io, it runs on top of Elasticsearch (no vendor lock-in) and a cloud native version that you can run anywhere is now available in preview at https://store.docker.com/images/appbaseio https://store.docker.com/images/appbaseio.

pcnix 9y ago

You should check out Hasura (https://hasura.io/ https://hasura.io/)! It is exactly what you're asking about. Disclaimer: I work at Hasura. Feel free to ask me anything you want to know about.

hmexx 9y ago
Woooo.. Interesting. I'm going to download it now and give it a whirl. Will get back to you with feedback (if you're interested).
hmexx 9y ago
FYI, I couldn't even get it running because "hasuractl.exe local start" is not a valid command with the version of hasuractl (0.1.12) you have available for windows on this page: https://docs.hasura.io/0.14/ref/cli/hasuractl.html https://docs.hasura.io/0.14/ref/cli/hasuractl.html :(
- alberteinstein 9y ago
  Sorry about that, we have deprecated local feature, but yeah docs lag behind. Please login to https://dashboard.hasura.io https://dashboard.hasura.io and create a free trial project.
  - marksomnian 9y ago
    "but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS" "exactly what you're asking about" "deprecated local feature" Eh?
    - hmexx 9y ago
      yeah. The search continues. the following 3 have some potential: https://feathersjs.com/and https://feathersjs.com/and postgraphile https://postgrest.com/en/v4.3/ https://postgrest.com/en/v4.3/ https://www.npmjs.com/package/postgraphile https://www.npmjs.com/package/postgraphile

marknadal 9y ago

We're a popular alternative, https://github.com/amark/gun https://github.com/amark/gun Some cool differences: - MIT/ZLIB/Apache2 licensed. - Graph data structures (document, key value, tables, relations, and more!) - Decentralized like IPFS! - Alpha prototype for end-to-end encryption and user authentication / permissions security. And a bunch more :).

yasserf 9y ago

Deepstream.io is a cloud platform and opensource real-time server that provides rule based permissions, authentication and a real-time data store that can be plugged into different any database (we use Postgres under the hood for the cloud). It provides the same name document/collection concepts, but search abilities are still under development. Side note, Im one of the cofounders :D Generally this move by Firebase makes a lot of sense! Building large real-time apps usually requires smaller documents or else things get super odd at scale.

arve0 9y ago

FeathersJS provides a layer between your database (RDBMS, NoSQL, ..) and your client, which gives you similar functionality as firebase. https://feathersjs.com https://feathersjs.com Edit: Minus rule based auth.