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vaping definitely isn't healthy but it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. i still want to quit nicotine entire

vaping definitely isn't healthy but it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. i still want to quit nicotine entirely one day but until that day comes, my vape pen and i are good friends. 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette.

Alex3917 9y ago
> it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. At least for commercial cigarettes. It's less clear how large the benefit would be for those smoking pipes or cigars, hookahs, using wild tobacco, freebasing tobacco, etc.
heelhook 9y ago
Genuinely curious; what's keeping you from quitting altogether? Is quitting a priority for you?
- Xophmeister 9y ago
  > 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette. Looks like he's doing pretty well. Nicotine is extremely addictive. One does not just quit smoking.
  - justin66 9y ago
    > One does not just quit smoking. Plenty of people do.
    - gozur88 9y ago
      It used to be most people who quit permanently did so by going cold turkey. That was true even after patches and gums, but I'm not sure if it's still true with vaping. Though I have a theory cold turkey quitting normally happens after a health scare of some variety. My father was a 45 year smoker and quit the day of his heart attack.
      - lucidone 9y ago
        I quit smoking cold turkey when it started to interfere with my weight lifting. I wanted a 3 plate squat more than my post workout smoke. YMMV.
      - vanadium 9y ago
        My mother smoked for around 45-50 years herself and quit immediately after her heart attack last year. As a former 17-year smoker myself who started vaping almost 6 years ago when my kid was born, I'd been trying to get her to replace the cigarettes years ago. Didn't work. Another spot of anecdata, when I was a smoker I couldn't go a few hours without a cigarette. After 6 years of vaping, I can pretty much go 8-10 hours with no real craving. It's unreal how much less of a hold vaping has on me versus cigarettes when that nicotine isn't coming along with a few thousand other chemical compounds.
  - excalibur 9y ago
    His sentiment is actually a very common one. Many smokers who try vaping find that they actually prefer it, and have no inclination to go back. And it allows for a level of control over the nicotine content that cigarettes never will.
  - scaryclam 9y ago
    Yes, yes we do.
  - dsschnau 9y ago
    thanks bud but realtalk i'm still a mess lol
- dsschnau 9y ago
  its fucking hard, i got 3 insane little kids and vaping is a crutch to keep me from losing my shit most days
daxorid 9y ago
Nicotine, by itself, and in small doses, is actually good for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
melq 9y ago
Is vaping unhealthy because nicotine is inherently unhealthy or are there other harms associated with vaping itself? Need to quit smoking cigarettes myself.
- excalibur 9y ago
  Both. Even vaping 0mg nicotine is bad for you, but not nearly as bad as smoking.
  - dxtr 9y ago
    Has it really been proven that nicotine itself is dangerous? I'm thinking of articles like https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b... I'm obviously talking about moderate doses. I know concentrated nicotine is very toxic :)
    - XFrequentist 9y ago
      Definitely not "proven" to be dangerous, in fact evidence is more compatible with (low dose) nicotine being quite safe. Best summary I'm aware of (note the many caveats): https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
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  - wolfgang42 9y ago
    What are the health risks of vaping with non-nicotine-containing fluid? I thought that it was just atomized vegetable glycerin with a bit of flavoring, but I've not done much research into the matter.
    - eckza 9y ago
      Personal anecdote: I was never a cigarette smoker, but I started vaping because I tried a friend's vape once and liked it. I am a pretty serious athlete. Vaping - whether it was 3mg or 0mg e-juice - fucked with my lungs pretty badly, and caused a noticeable drop in athletic performance. Also made me feel way less motivated to lift weights and train, which I chalked up to the instant gratification of nicotine. When I did lift weights and train, I always felt like I wasn't able to give 100%. I quit, but goddamn it was a pain in the ass to quit. It's not even the nicotine I miss, really, so much as it is the whole experience. The heat, the vapor, the flavor, the habit. Friends of mine that have switched from smoking cigarettes to vaping e-juice have reported an increase in cardiovascular capacity; but as a non-smoker that started vaping, I definitely noticed decreased performance.
gnaritas 9y ago
> vaping definitely isn't healthy That's a bold statement, how exactly is vaping definitely not healthy?
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- hfourm 9y ago
  Because you are inhaling foreign chemicals into your lung in higher then normal dosages. How is that a bold statement? People run around vaping like there are zero consequences, but I wouldn't be surprised if research eventually emerges saying certain lower quality fillers/vape mixtures will result in mechanical damage and cancer of the lungs and esophagus. Something similar was apparent with flavoring agents being used in the vape world.
  - mistercow 9y ago
    "There's a plausible mechanism for harm" is not the same as "definitely unhealthy". The word "definitely" is the bold part.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    "I wouldn't be surprised..." isn't really a strong enough sentiment to support the statement "vaping definitely isn't healthy". At the moment, the harms of vaping are speculative.
    - hfourm 9y ago
      Actually, as I already mentioned, there are cases with flavoring additives and other chemicals in the vape causing lung disease and other problems. I don't have it offhand but google should help you. My sentiment is more about where I think the research will go.
      - j0rd 9y ago
        Popcorn Lung is the only thing I've seen in my research https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/flavorings/ https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/flavorings/ I'd be interested to hear of more.
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amyjess 9y ago
If it helps, I used vaping to quit smoking. I was a pack-a-day clove smoker for years, and eventually one day I switched to an e-cig. I switched hard to vaping and didn't touch a cigarette again. Soon, I geared down to 4mg nic, and then I just... stopped about two months in. One day I realized I hadn't touched my e-cig in a week, and that was it for me. That was four years ago, and I've only touched nicotine once since then (I smoked a single clove for old time's sake about two years after I quit... and then I declined a second one).

Alex3917 9y ago

> it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. At least for commercial cigarettes. It's less clear how large the benefit would be for those smoking pipes or cigars, hookahs, using wild tobacco, freebasing tobacco, etc.

heelhook 9y ago

Genuinely curious; what's keeping you from quitting altogether? Is quitting a priority for you?

Xophmeister 9y ago
> 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette. Looks like he's doing pretty well. Nicotine is extremely addictive. One does not just quit smoking.
- justin66 9y ago
  > One does not just quit smoking. Plenty of people do.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    It used to be most people who quit permanently did so by going cold turkey. That was true even after patches and gums, but I'm not sure if it's still true with vaping. Though I have a theory cold turkey quitting normally happens after a health scare of some variety. My father was a 45 year smoker and quit the day of his heart attack.
    - lucidone 9y ago
      I quit smoking cold turkey when it started to interfere with my weight lifting. I wanted a 3 plate squat more than my post workout smoke. YMMV.
    - vanadium 9y ago
      My mother smoked for around 45-50 years herself and quit immediately after her heart attack last year. As a former 17-year smoker myself who started vaping almost 6 years ago when my kid was born, I'd been trying to get her to replace the cigarettes years ago. Didn't work. Another spot of anecdata, when I was a smoker I couldn't go a few hours without a cigarette. After 6 years of vaping, I can pretty much go 8-10 hours with no real craving. It's unreal how much less of a hold vaping has on me versus cigarettes when that nicotine isn't coming along with a few thousand other chemical compounds.
- excalibur 9y ago
  His sentiment is actually a very common one. Many smokers who try vaping find that they actually prefer it, and have no inclination to go back. And it allows for a level of control over the nicotine content that cigarettes never will.
- scaryclam 9y ago
  Yes, yes we do.
- dsschnau 9y ago
  thanks bud but realtalk i'm still a mess lol
dsschnau 9y ago
its fucking hard, i got 3 insane little kids and vaping is a crutch to keep me from losing my shit most days

daxorid 9y ago

Nicotine, by itself, and in small doses, is actually good for you: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

melq 9y ago

Is vaping unhealthy because nicotine is inherently unhealthy or are there other harms associated with vaping itself? Need to quit smoking cigarettes myself.

excalibur 9y ago
Both. Even vaping 0mg nicotine is bad for you, but not nearly as bad as smoking.
- dxtr 9y ago
  Has it really been proven that nicotine itself is dangerous? I'm thinking of articles like https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b... I'm obviously talking about moderate doses. I know concentrated nicotine is very toxic :)
  - XFrequentist 9y ago
    Definitely not "proven" to be dangerous, in fact evidence is more compatible with (low dose) nicotine being quite safe. Best summary I'm aware of (note the many caveats): https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine
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- wolfgang42 9y ago
  What are the health risks of vaping with non-nicotine-containing fluid? I thought that it was just atomized vegetable glycerin with a bit of flavoring, but I've not done much research into the matter.
  - eckza 9y ago
    Personal anecdote: I was never a cigarette smoker, but I started vaping because I tried a friend's vape once and liked it. I am a pretty serious athlete. Vaping - whether it was 3mg or 0mg e-juice - fucked with my lungs pretty badly, and caused a noticeable drop in athletic performance. Also made me feel way less motivated to lift weights and train, which I chalked up to the instant gratification of nicotine. When I did lift weights and train, I always felt like I wasn't able to give 100%. I quit, but goddamn it was a pain in the ass to quit. It's not even the nicotine I miss, really, so much as it is the whole experience. The heat, the vapor, the flavor, the habit. Friends of mine that have switched from smoking cigarettes to vaping e-juice have reported an increase in cardiovascular capacity; but as a non-smoker that started vaping, I definitely noticed decreased performance.

gnaritas 9y ago

> vaping definitely isn't healthy That's a bold statement, how exactly is vaping definitely not healthy?

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hfourm 9y ago
Because you are inhaling foreign chemicals into your lung in higher then normal dosages. How is that a bold statement? People run around vaping like there are zero consequences, but I wouldn't be surprised if research eventually emerges saying certain lower quality fillers/vape mixtures will result in mechanical damage and cancer of the lungs and esophagus. Something similar was apparent with flavoring agents being used in the vape world.
- mistercow 9y ago
  "There's a plausible mechanism for harm" is not the same as "definitely unhealthy". The word "definitely" is the bold part.
- gozur88 9y ago
  "I wouldn't be surprised..." isn't really a strong enough sentiment to support the statement "vaping definitely isn't healthy". At the moment, the harms of vaping are speculative.
  - hfourm 9y ago
    Actually, as I already mentioned, there are cases with flavoring additives and other chemicals in the vape causing lung disease and other problems. I don't have it offhand but google should help you. My sentiment is more about where I think the research will go.
    - j0rd 9y ago
      Popcorn Lung is the only thing I've seen in my research https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/flavorings/ https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/flavorings/ I'd be interested to hear of more.

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amyjess 9y ago

If it helps, I used vaping to quit smoking. I was a pack-a-day clove smoker for years, and eventually one day I switched to an e-cig. I switched hard to vaping and didn't touch a cigarette again. Soon, I geared down to 4mg nic, and then I just... stopped about two months in. One day I realized I hadn't touched my e-cig in a week, and that was it for me. That was four years ago, and I've only touched nicotine once since then (I smoked a single clove for old time's sake about two years after I quit... and then I declined a second one).